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Re: This is the thread for not playing a PnP RPG

Post by Khaos » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:40 pm

the 50% thing was just like, if they actually decide to do that. presumably they wouldn't

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Post by Khaos » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:59 pm

an angel who has a kind of lifesteal attack, making it super hard to kill. players need to figure out that it steals life based on a function of their current life, so to beat it they have to have the low hp or wounded players panzer it

a tunneling worm-shaped angel. it's most vulnerable just as it emerges, but players don't know where it'll emerge from. the trick is that it can't turn while underground, so it'll always emerge somewhere on the line drawn from where it's facing when it submerges

an angel that can make disc-shaped portals. it attacks by moving portals through buildings/terrain and by placing stationary portals above players, dropping the "cylindrical cutouts" on them. the portals remain open for a couple seconds at a time before closing, with a cooldown between forming new ones.

players can destroy it by using portals to get closer to it. as they close the gap, it'll try to use a portal to teleport away. by grappling it and holding it halfway in its own portal, they can destroy it by cutting it in two when the portal closes (this risks the eva's arm being cut off)

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Re: This is the thread for not playing a PnP RPG

Post by Fry Guy » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:26 pm

Khaos wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:59 pm
an angel who has a kind of lifesteal attack, making it super hard to kill. players need to figure out that it steals life based on a function of their current life, so to beat it they have to have the low hp or wounded players panzer it
This is tougher with how damage works in AdEva. No on has hit points or a health total. Instead you take damage, and then (if you took enough damage) you'll roll a chart to see what happens to that body part. At first the results can only be so bad, but as your damage total creeps up you end up with a increasing modifier to the roll on the chart and you can lose limbs or be defeated. So I would have to make it something like the Angel can recover damage up to the damage total of the thing it's attacking or the median damage total of the players or something like that.

a tunneling worm-shaped angel. it's most vulnerable just as it emerges, but players don't know where it'll emerge from. the trick is that it can't turn while underground, so it'll always emerge somewhere on the line drawn from where it's facing when it submerges
Combat positioning is mostly abstract in AdEva. The Angel might be in zone 1, with the players in zone 4, except one of them has run up to zone 1 and is has now created Engagement zone with it in melee. So you could kind of do this but mechanically it wouldn't really look any different from let's say a normal burrowing Angel.

an angel that can make disc-shaped portals. it attacks by moving portals through buildings/terrain and by placing stationary portals above players, dropping the "cylindrical cutouts" on them. the portals remain open for a couple seconds at a time before closing, with a cooldown between forming new ones.

players can destroy it by using portals to get closer to it. as they close the gap, it'll try to use a portal to teleport away. by grappling it and holding it halfway in its own portal, they can destroy it by cutting it in two when the portal closes (this risks the eva's arm being cut off)
This is an interesting one.

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Re: This is the thread for not playing a PnP RPG

Post by Khaos » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:36 pm

i can imagine knowing how the game works would help with these

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Re: This is the thread for not playing a PnP RPG

Post by Fry Guy » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:41 pm

It's a world of imagination, so you can make anything work, some things are just easier to implement than others.

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Post by Khaos » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:44 pm

an angel that manifests as a shadow, on buildings, terrain, etc.

hitting the shadow damages it, so players can take that route if they want to, however if they hit the space between the shadow and the sun (aka the space where something would need to stand in order to cast that shadow) they can deal much more damage to it

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Re: This is the thread for not playing a PnP RPG

Post by Fry Guy » Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:30 am

Khaos wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:44 pm
an angel that manifests as a shadow, on buildings, terrain, etc.

hitting the shadow damages it, so players can take that route if they want to, however if they hit the space between the shadow and the sun (aka the space where something would need to stand in order to cast that shadow) they can deal much more damage to it
The series had Leliel, where the angel looks like it's a thing but it was actually its shadow. This is solid twist on that and would be a good angel fight in a normal game, imo.

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Re: This is the thread for not playing a PnP RPG

Post by Khaos » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:39 am

so i guess actually have no original ideas and just spout forgotten memories as ideas of my own

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Re: This is the thread for not playing a PnP RPG

Post by Fry Guy » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:25 am

Khaos wrote:
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so i guess actually have no original ideas and just spout forgotten memories as ideas of my own
Trying to be entirely original is overrated. None of your suggestions have been bad, just some harder to implement that others.

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Re: This is the thread for not playing a PnP RPG

Post by Fry Guy » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:12 am

I'm slowly working towards the possible endings for the game as well, so far we have 4* but to explain them I'll have to go into more detail about the setting so incoming longpost about my imaginary universe:
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It is the middle of the 23rd century. 200 years ago, a species of humanoid refugees arrived after a multi-generational trip from a pretty close star system. Their world was gone. They called themselves the Akked and they look like anime elves. They have 3 genders, an equivalent to male and female, but also one called a Bearer. They are the ones that carry the kid to term. This doesn't come up much, because they brought tech that lets any combination of parents have kids and even use artificial wombs, but it's a thing. The other notable things they brought along: Gate travel. FTL, but not instantaneous, travel between constructed gates. You have to bring the first one there through realspace. They also brought some terrforming tech. They were able to make Mars habitable after not too long and that is sort of their new home, but of course some live on Earth and on other colonies as well.

A few of Jupiter's moons were colonized, Ganymede, Io, Europa. They had just started the terraforming of Titan when disaster struck on Europa. In the process of anchoring one of the colonies to the bottom of Europa's oceans, they had evidently hit something. It's not clear to the public what happened but Europa was wiped clean. There was only one survivor, whose identity was never made public.

NERV sprang up in the wake of the Europa Disaster. Their primary base is on Titan. There's a few well populated bubble cities as the terraforming process wraps up. It's still a couple years off from being complete, but a person could survive exposure to Titan's atmosphere for maybe a day without any permanent issues.

Anyway, 15 years post Europa Disaster, NERV collects some kids, Eva pilots yada yada. They're actually living on Osiris Station, a space station built back in the day to help terraform Mars. It's basically always hanging out over whatever moon is currently being terraformed. It's a big fancy station, that has had multiple layers added to accommodate increasing staff/residents. The pilots are attending Vanguard Academy, one of the highest regarded schools in the entire Concord. (Concord is the Human/Akked Concord. The government in charge of everything outside of Earth, and also maybe Earth but they think they're in charge of themselves, you know how that goes. But people call the government the Concord, they call all of the colonies the Concord and usually even call the whole system the Concord.)

So the pilots barely have a chance to look at their Evas before OH SHIT something is attacking. They go down, fight it, win with only one Eva going down. NERV's commander lets them in on the secret that there is some kind impossibly large being buried in Titan. It was living at the bottom of Europa's oceans but something woke it up after it had been attached to one of the colony Cities. It did something that pushed the colony into space, but that brought it along. The colony and the entity entered the gate while it was pointed toward Titan. The colony was lost and the entity broke the gate as it went through, but it was so massive it got snagged on Titan's gravity well and somehow pulled itself back into realspace, but a lot worse for wear about a mile underground. They're fighting pieces of it that broke off the thing during the Disaster.

The pilots meet special contact from the Concord, a human named Yime, there to help them in any way they can. Some of the pilots get friendly and talk more with Yime who reveals they are not local. Their dad was from earth but their mom fares from another society in another part of the galaxy and tells them that the THING in titan is basically a super power ancient genetically engineered bioweapon called a World Ender. They hate all life but they hibernate a lot. Most FTL tech can wake them up, due to the substances used in such things. Other characters tell the pilots that Yime is a compulsive liar and not to be trusted.

They also meet a classmate and 3 out of the 4 pilots makes friends with this awkward Akked bearer kid named Geventsa.
So stuff has happened and I've coalesced the 4* possible endings into thus:
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1. Yime tells the pilots they have a plan to take out the World Ender. If the group can navigate its body and deliver a thing to its brain, it should make the brain look like a hostile to its immune system and it will killitself in short order. If they do this, Yime will have one of their friends, a cool spaceship AI come along and get them and their family (and sure their friends too) the fuck out of there and off to a nice existence in another part of the Milky Way.

2. The Concord have made a deal with another advanced civilization, the SSGS, and they are deeply interested in the Entity and the Evas. If the pilots will choose one amongst themselves (or just take this deal and let someone be chosen) they will get to live in comfort under Concord guard for the rest of their days. Whatever happens to the chosen pilot is not clear but it's probably not great.

3. NERV's Commander is sick of the outside influences of the powerful civilizations in the galaxy. He's worked out something that should let a pilot PLUG into the Entity similarly to how a pilot plugs into the Eva and take control of it long enough to use it's reality altering abilities to change a fundamental thing about the universe. The Commander wants that thing to be the Concord to be free of outside influence. It's very unclear what this would do. I imagine a sort of Angelic Days scenario where the Evas and all are no longer a thing but they're all still attending school together, etc. Eventually they were start remembering bits of the past and have to decide if this was what they wanted the universe to be or not.

4. Geventsa is not an Akked. Geventsa is essentially a T-Cell for the Creator (Elder god, World Ender, whatever). Geventsa likes the pilots though, because they're the only ones who can even see him (they only met him after piloting, no one else in the whole game every acknowledges him). He's met them before. A lot of times. Each time, whether the Creator wins or the pilots do, Geventsa has to shift to the next nearest reality that assist that Creator with the same issue. He's done this a hundred times. The thing is, he wants the pilots to win, but they rarely do. Especially when he tries to help them. Something buried deep in his consciousness causes him to make things worse for them. So he usually does nothing and hangs out until shit happens and then moves on. So, if pressed because it's not something he really wants to do, he offers to absorb the pilots. Consume them and use their natural resistance to the Creator's influence so overcome this subconscious sabotage. He can probably at that point mess the Creator up and keep it from destroying the Concord. Additionally, it would let him help in every other reality he goes on to without making things worse. So they would be sacrificing themselves here to save most other versions of themselves.

They could also do nothing, in which case the big one will wake up and destroy everything and everyone.

There are also weird combinations of these options but I'm not going to worry about figuring those out until it looks like they might head that directions.

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Re: This is the thread for not playing a PnP RPG

Post by Juri » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:34 am

if Bearers exist, what's the purpose of a female, biologically? A child is conceived by a female but transferred from the female to the bearer somehow?
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Post by Juri » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:35 am

I like the fact that you can just plug into the big monster and pilot it too
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Re: This is the thread for not playing a PnP RPG

Post by Ashenai » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:48 am

Juri wrote:
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if Bearers exist, what's the purpose of a female, biologically? A child is conceived by a female but transferred from the female to the bearer somehow?
He got that from Player of Games, a Culture novel by Iain M. Banks! In that, the males had a penis and testicles, the females had an eversible vagina and ovaries, and the "apex" had a womb. Male would fertilize the female's eggs, then the female would evert their vagina to implant the eggs in the apex, who would bear the fetus to term.

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Post by Juri » Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:02 pm

Ashenai wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:48 am
an eversible vagina and ovaries
i like the ambiguous reading that's possible here regarding eversible ovaries
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Post by Ashenai » Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:12 pm

sex (securities fraud) is always more fun with a little mystery

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Re: This is the thread for not playing a PnP RPG

Post by Fry Guy » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:43 pm

Juri wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:34 am
if Bearers exist, what's the purpose of a female, biologically? A child is conceived by a female but transferred from the female to the bearer somehow?
Females make eggs. The bearers kind of have their own versions of both sex (securities fraud) organs, though their external one's purpose is for collecting material.

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Post by Fry Guy » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:21 pm

Again, it doesn't matter much because of the tech they brought. With the GeneSyS technology, they don't need 3 people to procreate anymore. Two folks of the same sex (securities fraud) can produce a child. 7 people can pitch in and create an offspring. Much higher than that the system starts skipping participants, but the Akked tend not to care that much about lineage and mostly communally raise the kids.

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