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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Doug » Tue May 04, 2021 1:30 am

Rylinks wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 1:29 am
Doug wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 1:26 am
seathesee wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 3:26 pm gg everyone. wp khaos. thanks for running this doug. its a cool game.
I'll run it again

We played it IRL this weekend. In person, it's much easier I think to play aggressively, and everybody used abilities and cards on one another nonstop
can i make a card deck
omg yes
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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Khaos » Tue May 04, 2021 1:44 am

Rylinks wrote:
Doug wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 1:26 am
seathesee wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 3:26 pm gg everyone. wp khaos. thanks for running this doug. its a cool game.
I'll run it again

We played it IRL this weekend. In person, it's much easier I think to play aggressively, and everybody used abilities and cards on one another nonstop
can i make a card deck
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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Doug » Tue May 04, 2021 2:09 am

Rylinks, a standard Shasn deck is 108 cards. It has 18 of each of the six permutations -- Capitalist/Supremo, Capitalist/Showstopper, Capitalist/Idealist, Supremo/Showstopper, Supremo/Idealist, and Showstopper/Idealist

Now within each "block" of 18 cards, you would think that the distribution of resources would be equal. For example, you might think that among the 18 cards that are Capitalist/Supremo, 9 of the Capitalist answers give you 2 Funds 1 Media, and 9 of the Capitalist answers give you 2 Funds 1 Trust. But no. They did not equalize them that way within blocks. Among the 18 Capitalist/Supremo cards, only 4 of the Capitalist answers give you 2 Funds 1 Media. The other 14 give you 2 Funds 1 Trust. In other words, among green/red cards, green/yellow mana is more common than green/blue mana.

Now then we might guess, well maybe they equalized the resource distribution among all green answers in general, such that there are the same number of green answers that give you 2 Funds 1 Clout, 2 Funds 1 Media, and 2 Funds 1 Trust. But no. They didn't equalize them that way either. Green answers just tend to be more likely to give 1 Trust across the entire deck too.

So make of that what you will
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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Khaos » Tue May 04, 2021 2:54 am

juice can you take your turn so i can see if i can wipe sea off the face of shasn before ending the game

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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Doug » Tue May 04, 2021 3:11 am

I'm afraid you'll have to sign up for another exciting game of Shasn
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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Doug » Tue May 04, 2021 1:44 pm

I was thinking about the methodology of creating a Shasn deck. Obviously, you may well already have your own, but I couldn't help but think about it.

- I think a sound way to do it is to make a spreadsheet, with 18 entries for each combination of answers (green/red, green/blue, etc.)
- Then for each entry, write a question, perhaps even without regard for which answers this particular card will offer
- Then for each answer, figure out which side of the card gives you which oddball 1 resource, i.e., I have a green and a red answer, which is closer to yellow and which is closer to blue
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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Rylinks » Tue May 04, 2021 1:58 pm

what is the distribution of resouce awards? i def don't understand this game well enough to muck with any of the mechanics

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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

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Rylinks wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 1:58 pm what is the distribution of resouce awards? i def don't understand this game well enough to muck with any of the mechanics
Alright so every question card has two sides, of course, a yes answer side and a no answer side.

Every card has this structure:

Side 1
Question, and an answer in a color. Let's call that Color A. This side gives you 2 resources in Color A, and 1 resource in a third color, let's say Color C

Side 2
Same Question, and an answer in a second color. Let's call that Color B. This side gives you 2 resources in Color B, and 1 resource in Color D



Example

Side 1
Question, green answer, and you get 2 green and 1 yellow resource

Side 2
Same question, red answer, and you get 2 red and 1 blue resource
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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Rylinks » Tue May 04, 2021 2:03 pm

right but like 4 cards are 2 funds 1 media and 14 are 2 funds 1 trust how many of each of those

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Post by Rylinks » Tue May 04, 2021 2:03 pm

or does matching that exactly not matter

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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Doug » Tue May 04, 2021 2:10 pm

That doesn't matter -- it's totally imbalanced

The parts that have to be rigorous are that there should be 18 g/r, 18 g/u, 18 g/y, 18 r/u, 18 r/y, and 18 u/y cards

And, that the two sides of the card A and B award resources 2A 1C and 2B 1D respectively

No attempt was made to ensure that C and D are equalized at all. That part is not rigorous. If most of the green answers felt more partly yellow than partly red, that's just the way it fell
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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Doug » Tue May 04, 2021 2:12 pm

To be absolutely clear, among all green answers total, ignoring the other sides of the cards, there are blatantly more 2g1y awards than either 2g1r or 2g1u awards

I guess that makes some colors somewhat allied

Note that the total count of resources awarded will be equalized overall though vicariously, because if a card is 2g1y then the other side must be 2r1u or 2u1r
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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Ashenai » Tue May 04, 2021 2:13 pm

gg, wp khaos i'm not mad at all :clopsrage:

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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Doug » Tue May 04, 2021 2:14 pm

I could make a spreadsheet of a Shasn Deck Template
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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Khaos » Tue May 04, 2021 2:24 pm

Ashenai wrote:gg, wp khaos i'm not mad at all :clopsrage:
43-15 (49-15?)

really it was anyone's game :smug:

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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Doug » Tue May 04, 2021 2:28 pm

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So here's an example of the green/red card portion of a deck template. There are 18 green/red cards. Obviously they need green and red answers. The only caveat about the resource awards is that 1? must be a third color and 1?? must be a fourth color
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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Rylinks » Tue May 04, 2021 2:30 pm

my next question is would people prefer this to be about contemporary politics or something else

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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Doug » Tue May 04, 2021 2:31 pm

Well we have three contemporary decks already, for the US, the UK, and India

I think another time period would be neat. My friends and I were talking about how cool like, 1938 would be

If there's a subject you in particular know a lot about, then that would be a good thing to do
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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Rylinks » Tue May 04, 2021 2:33 pm

shasn but all the cards are supreme court cases

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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Doug » Tue May 04, 2021 2:33 pm

Peloponnesian War is also intriguing
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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Doug » Tue May 04, 2021 2:34 pm

Rylinks wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 2:33 pm shasn but all the cards are supreme court cases
See this is actually incredible, because you know more about this than any of us
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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Khaos » Tue May 04, 2021 2:34 pm

if it's a rylinks deck i think it should just be topics that interest rylinks. just ignore time period / geological limitations imo

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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Rylinks » Tue May 04, 2021 2:34 pm

shasn but all the cards are about type moon

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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Rylinks » Tue May 04, 2021 2:34 pm

Khaos wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 2:34 pm if it's a rylinks deck i think it should just be topics that interest rylinks. just ignore time period / geological limitations imo
well my question is really 'if i make it about contemporary politics will the cards make people upset'

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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Khaos » Tue May 04, 2021 2:35 pm

Doug wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 2:28 pm Image



So here's an example of the green/red card portion of a deck template. There are 18 green/red cards. Obviously they need green and red answers. The only caveat about the resource awards is that 1? must be a third color and 1?? must be a fourth color
put it on google sheets!

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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Khaos » Tue May 04, 2021 2:35 pm

Rylinks wrote:
Khaos wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 2:34 pm if it's a rylinks deck i think it should just be topics that interest rylinks. just ignore time period / geological limitations imo
well my question is really 'if i make it about contemporary politics will the cards make people upset'
i think those people never play this game?

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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Khaos » Tue May 04, 2021 2:36 pm

plus there's the age old rule of 'anything upsetting is ok so long as it's sufficiently funny'

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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Doug » Tue May 04, 2021 2:56 pm

Alright, I made the template. I put it in the High Frontier Share Folder, because I didn't feel like making another share folder

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... r9iyAwAL49

So here's how you use it

1. Think of 108 yes-or-no questions. Don't worry about the answers, what color the answers will be, or any of that.
2. Put those questions in the spreadsheet.
3. Now the hard part -- for each question, think of answers in the colors already specified for that row.
4. Finally, for each answer, think of what the oddball color resource you get should be. Of course, 1? must be a third color and 1?? must be the fourth color.
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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Doug » Tue May 04, 2021 2:57 pm

Rylinks wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 2:34 pm
Khaos wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 2:34 pm if it's a rylinks deck i think it should just be topics that interest rylinks. just ignore time period / geological limitations imo
well my question is really 'if i make it about contemporary politics will the cards make people upset'
I don't see how it could make people upset any more than the already existing cards about contemporary politics would. You haven't seen them
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Re: Shasn Game Aquarius

Post by Doug » Tue May 04, 2021 2:57 pm

Khaos wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 2:35 pm put it on google sheets!
I've never used that. I just put the Excel in a share folder. You're welcome to copy it onto Google Sheets!
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