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Post by Doug » Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:37 pm

I basically didn't play Magic for a bunch of years -- the whole time I was living in St. Louis, and then the whole time I've been living in South Florida

Until the other weekend, where we drafted Ikoria. It was really great

I put together a draft, like the way someone would make a cube, but with 11 commons 3 uncommons and 1 rare or mythic in each shell. Since I had the showcase and Godzilla versions of cards, I used those. In the actual draft, I had two different Godzillas, I had Biollante, and Gigan. (I drafted GWB.)

I'm building a Kamigawa draft even now. Draft is now my favorite format



It isn't like I just discovered this, though. Back around Masques, Invasion, and Odyssey, I used to draft all the time. I had just kinda forgotten how great it is.
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Post by Crunchums » Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:58 pm

Doug wrote:I put together a draft, like the way someone would make a cube, but with 11 commons 3 uncommons and 1 rare or mythic in each shell.
i am unsure what you mean by this - are you saying you essentially created your own booster packs? (but what about mythic rares?)
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Post by Doug » Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:10 pm

Crunchums wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:58 pm
Doug wrote:I put together a draft, like the way someone would make a cube, but with 11 commons 3 uncommons and 1 rare or mythic in each shell.
i am unsure what you mean by this - are you saying you essentially created your own booster packs? (but what about mythic rares?)
That is what I did

I shuffled the mythics into the rares, which makes for a slightly higher chance of a pack having a mythic than normal (22 percent instead of 12.5 percent)
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Post by rianalnn » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:07 am

Yeah yeah yeah, that sounds rad, especially bumping the mythic rate.
Drafting was the last format I had any love for before going cold turkey.

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Post by Khaos » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:13 am

draft is indeed great. we draft together on arena all the time in the grobot discord

also sometimes we do cockatrice drafts with just people from the forums. we did a neo one a few weeks ago which was rad

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Post by Blissful » Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:38 am

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Post by Doug » Wed Apr 13, 2022 7:42 pm

When I see "Cabaretti," as in Cabaretti Charm, I keep thinking of "MAR-GAR-ETTI" from Inglourious Basterds
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Post by Dantes » Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:50 pm

Doug wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:37 pm It isn't like I just discovered this, though. Back around Masques, Invasion, and Odyssey, I used to draft all the time. I had just kinda forgotten how great it is.
I stopped drafting around about Tarkir. I still do a lot of EDH though.
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Post by Doug » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:08 pm

Dantes wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:50 pm
Doug wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:37 pm It isn't like I just discovered this, though. Back around Masques, Invasion, and Odyssey, I used to draft all the time. I had just kinda forgotten how great it is.
I stopped drafting around about Tarkir. I still do a lot of EDH though.
You know they're making that EDH draft set. I'm sure our group will do some of that
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Post by Blissful » Thu Apr 21, 2022 12:43 pm

Dantes wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:50 pm
Doug wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:37 pm It isn't like I just discovered this, though. Back around Masques, Invasion, and Odyssey, I used to draft all the time. I had just kinda forgotten how great it is.
I stopped drafting around about Tarkir. I still do a lot of EDH though.
what deck(s) do you play?
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Post by Dantes » Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:35 pm

Doug wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:08 pm
Dantes wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:50 pm
Doug wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:37 pm It isn't like I just discovered this, though. Back around Masques, Invasion, and Odyssey, I used to draft all the time. I had just kinda forgotten how great it is.
I stopped drafting around about Tarkir. I still do a lot of EDH though.
You know they're making that EDH draft set. I'm sure our group will do some of that
Yeah, commander legends 2 (Forgotten Realms). The first one was pretty good, so I'm looking forward to the next.
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Post by Dantes » Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:55 pm

Blissful wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 12:43 pm
Dantes wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:50 pm
Doug wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:37 pm It isn't like I just discovered this, though. Back around Masques, Invasion, and Odyssey, I used to draft all the time. I had just kinda forgotten how great it is.
I stopped drafting around about Tarkir. I still do a lot of EDH though.
what deck(s) do you play?
Here's what I have together right now:

Feathers of Furry (Kykar spellslinger/tokens)
Magda's 11 (Magda treasure, looking to put a Darksteel Colossus in play on turn 4-5)
KMAX (Kalamax value)
The Legend of Peepaws S'heed (Yoshimaru/Ludevic doggo beat down)
Big Dumb Green Branch 2, Leaf 3 (Gilanra/Kodama BIG GREEN TRICKERY)
ELFSOC (Edric Elfball)
Weaponized Life (Oloro life gain)
Lord Windgrace, Attorney At Law (Windgrace, land theme. Hold the ground, dominate the monarchy, win with the courts)
Unnamed Monoblack (Keskit/Tevesh Szat Artifact Aristocrats)
Unnamed UBW (Aminatou manifest/blink tricks)

I have the following decks brewing:

Anhelo the Painter spellslinger
Ur Dragon Changeling tribal
Akiri/Silas Wren artifact trinkets.
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Post by pterrus » Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:34 am

Ah, a man of culture and taste.

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Post by Dantes » Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:56 am

Pleased to meet you. I hope you’ve guessed my name.
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Post by Blissful » Sun Apr 24, 2022 1:23 am

Dantes wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:55 pmUnnamed Monoblack (Keskit/Tevesh Szat Artifact Aristocrats)
I really like the statement that you make by partnering a monoblack commander with another monoblack commander. That right there is commitment
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Post by Blissful » Sun Apr 24, 2022 1:24 am

kalamax looks really fun
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Post by Ashenai » Sun Apr 24, 2022 9:11 am

Blissful wrote: Sun Apr 24, 2022 1:23 am
Dantes wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:55 pmUnnamed Monoblack (Keskit/Tevesh Szat Artifact Aristocrats)
I really like the statement that you make by partnering a monoblack commander with another monoblack commander. That right there is commitment
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Post by Dantes » Sun Apr 24, 2022 9:18 pm

Blissful wrote: Sun Apr 24, 2022 1:23 am
Dantes wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:55 pmUnnamed Monoblack (Keskit/Tevesh Szat Artifact Aristocrats)
I really like the statement that you make by partnering a monoblack commander with another monoblack commander. That right there is commitment
Some of the same color partner combos are surprisingly synergistic.
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Post by pterrus » Tue May 03, 2022 3:33 pm

I know you guys don’t care about this at all, but it is very dumb that cards like Banishing Light can find and return a commander to play that has been sent to the command zone but cards like Scythe of the Wretched cannot.

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Post by Khaos » Tue May 03, 2022 3:42 pm

that is strange. what's the exact rule?

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Post by pterrus » Tue May 03, 2022 5:26 pm

I can't quote you chapter and verse but the distinction is that "return" can find something if it's in the same zone it put the thing, and banishing light puts the commander into the command zone as a replacement effect, but scythe puts the commander in the graveyard first, which means return is looking at the graveyard and doesn't find it.

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Post by Khaos » Tue May 03, 2022 6:00 pm

oh yeah, that makes sense

otherwise rotten reunion doesnt work

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Post by pterrus » Tue May 03, 2022 7:38 pm

I don't get it, doesn't work how?

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Post by Khaos » Tue May 03, 2022 9:19 pm

it wouldnt be useful as as graveyard hate if it didnt stop stuff like scythe

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Post by pterrus » Tue May 03, 2022 9:24 pm

Oh, right. That's how it should work imo, it's the banishing light thing that is dumb and bad.

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Post by pterrus » Tue May 03, 2022 9:26 pm

It's also bad for gameplay, it's good if the player has a choice to command zone their commander and pay the tax, or else let their commander go into exile and deal with the enchantment. As it is, it's always correct to command zone.

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Post by Khaos » Tue May 03, 2022 9:56 pm

oh i see. im not sure how i feel about it, i'd have to think more

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Post by Dantes » Thu May 05, 2022 1:57 pm

pterrus wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 3:33 pm I know you guys don’t care about this at all, but it is very dumb that cards like Banishing Light can find and return a commander to play that has been sent to the command zone but cards like Scythe of the Wretched cannot.

Banishing Light can't find a commander in the command zone. If it exiles a commander you may send the commander to the command zone as a replacement effect, if you do Banishing Light's second ability cannot find that commander later.


I am wrong. This is a super weird interaction and I agree that it sucks.

The real problem here is that the Oblivion Ring effect was abusable by people who understand timing well. Either Wizards cobbled together a different approach because they never intended that interaction, or they're catering to people who don't understand the timing rules and don't like being out played.
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Post by Doug » Thu May 05, 2022 2:03 pm

Dantes wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 1:57 pm
pterrus wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 3:33 pm I know you guys don’t care about this at all, but it is very dumb that cards like Banishing Light can find and return a commander to play that has been sent to the command zone but cards like Scythe of the Wretched cannot.
Banishing Light can't find a commander in the command zone. If it exiles a commander you may send the commander to the command zone as a replacement effect, if you do Banishing Light's second ability cannot find that commander later.
I'm afraid that's not true

Since Banishing Light only has one ability, unlike Oblivion Ring, that one ability can indeed find the card in the Command Zone if exiling it was modified by putting it in the Command Zone, because this same ability was the ability that was modified

This doesn't work with Oblivion Ring because Oblivion Ring is two abilities instead of one, and the second ability was never modified by any commander rules

In other words, Banishing Light's ability got modified to "When Banishing Light enters the battlefield, put into the Command Zone target nonland permanent an opponent controls until Banishing Light leaves the battlefield." O-Ring's second ability never got changed so it can't look in the Command Zone
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