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http://neoreadinggrid.co.uk/deadchannel/30
biotic labor on a stick? ok
probably Jinja is just better? you do get immediate value in that even if it's a server of like 3 ice then you save 1 on the first install (2 rez cost) and then 3 when they trash it = 4 total. and unlike Jinja you can also just continue to get savings on other servers if it sticks around. but i don't think that the savings + lack of reveal make it better than Jinja.
i'm a fan of these sorts of jammy cards. dunno if it's good enough, but the numbers are pretty decent, and the flexibility to choose between cards and credits is nice, so it might be
biotic labor on a stick? ok
probably Jinja is just better? you do get immediate value in that even if it's a server of like 3 ice then you save 1 on the first install (2 rez cost) and then 3 when they trash it = 4 total. and unlike Jinja you can also just continue to get savings on other servers if it sticks around. but i don't think that the savings + lack of reveal make it better than Jinja.
i'm a fan of these sorts of jammy cards. dunno if it's good enough, but the numbers are pretty decent, and the flexibility to choose between cards and credits is nice, so it might be
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the 'ignoring all costs' clause on vaporframe fabricator refers to like, ice tax on cards you lay facedown, right?
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that's the built-in one, yeah. but also any additional costs that exist due to other things, e.g.Juri wrote:the 'ignoring all costs' clause on vaporframe fabricator refers to like, ice tax on cards you lay facedown, right?
https://netrunnerdb.com/en/card/10021
https://netrunnerdb.com/en/card/12007 (i guess this is really the same cost, just increased, but you get the idea)
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https://imgur.com/a/qahddAD
new decoder: i am skeptical that it will be worth it to play this over Gordian Blade. re-install engines are clunky, and the 2nd time you pay for installing it now you've paid the install cost of Gordian anyway. maybe you play it with Brahman, especially with CyCy rotating (;_;)
new killer: ok apparently virtual breakers are a cycle. the numbers on Utae aren't good enough to displace BO (installing from heap is crazy good). the numbers on this are a lot better to the point that you actually maybe play it over MKUltra, especially with Inject rotating
new decoder: i am skeptical that it will be worth it to play this over Gordian Blade. re-install engines are clunky, and the 2nd time you pay for installing it now you've paid the install cost of Gordian anyway. maybe you play it with Brahman, especially with CyCy rotating (;_;)
new killer: ok apparently virtual breakers are a cycle. the numbers on Utae aren't good enough to displace BO (installing from heap is crazy good). the numbers on this are a lot better to the point that you actually maybe play it over MKUltra, especially with Inject rotating
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https://imgur.com/a/J8jA51r
the drawback is that it's kinda dead vs decks without big ice, but i think it's good enough against not those decks to see play. seems like a good Az card, ofc
https://imgur.com/a/uHk5qBB
i doubt this will be a thing. needs to be in a deck where you're installing a ton of cheap-ish stuff all the time. pairs nicely with Oracle May. the run requirement is a bummer vs glacier
i dislike the flavor text
https://imgur.com/a/awSjSdk
not half-assing addressing levy rotating, huh. all of the numbers are very favorable. totally playable if you're a deck that can trigger it a lot (does Geist have good ways of doing that?) and wants the recursion effect
i like the flavor
the drawback is that it's kinda dead vs decks without big ice, but i think it's good enough against not those decks to see play. seems like a good Az card, ofc
https://imgur.com/a/uHk5qBB
i doubt this will be a thing. needs to be in a deck where you're installing a ton of cheap-ish stuff all the time. pairs nicely with Oracle May. the run requirement is a bummer vs glacier
i dislike the flavor text
https://imgur.com/a/awSjSdk
not half-assing addressing levy rotating, huh. all of the numbers are very favorable. totally playable if you're a deck that can trigger it a lot (does Geist have good ways of doing that?) and wants the recursion effect
i like the flavor
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I fat fingered my mouse and now the computer I'm using has a bookmark called "crunchums" that links to crunchums' profile
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that's what
i said when i preview posted and realized that i would be better off posting links instead
i said when i preview posted and realized that i would be better off posting links instead
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although because you posted that i just noticed that the new trash symbol has a wheel; nifty
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https://twitter.com/CritHitd20/status/1 ... 8948164608
hey, an inject replacement. I really like everything about this card. i think "use dead cards that you've drawn as fuel" is a fun mechanic (something something Faust). should be a staple, even if it's probably not as good as it looks because trashing 3 cards from your hand is actually kind of a big deal, even with conspiracy breakers. especially since it's not like you can overdraw and then just get rid of what you were going to discard anyway, since it draws you more cards.
https://imgur.com/a/tTCOCK9
knee jerk reaction upon reading the first line of text: fuck stealth (but mostly net mercur in particular)
reaction after finishing the whole card: this might be a fun card in a world without net mercur. with net mercur, it's obnoxious
digression about how dumb net mercur is: the whole point of stealth as a mechanic is that they're a hyper-efficient resource (i.e. stealth breakers are way more efficient than regular breakers) that you have a limited amount of. net mercur is like hey how about instead you just have an unlimited amount? so so so dumb
stealth killer - switchblade replacement, i guess. sometimes it will be better than switchblade, but there aren't a lot of 1-2 strength sentries so most of the time it will be worse. but it's still really good. funny that the first ability makes you think Anansi, but actually it breaks Anansi for just 2 more non-stealth credits.
good flavor (i.e. art + name)
ghost runner replacement. i don't like that it's 2 influence criminal. are they changing stealth from a shaper mechanic to a criminal one? or maybe in 2025 they'll do anarch stealth
i love the 2 cheaper if you ran HQ mechanically - rewarding successful runs is fun ( <3 Gabe ). it's neat that if you're a stealth deck then 2 credits for 4 stealth credits is probably fine, but if you're just some deck that's planning on getting in to hq then 4 credits is also good enough
man I wish I could have played this in Nasir (except it would not have been worth the influence; they really could not have made it 1 instead of 2?)
hey, an inject replacement. I really like everything about this card. i think "use dead cards that you've drawn as fuel" is a fun mechanic (something something Faust). should be a staple, even if it's probably not as good as it looks because trashing 3 cards from your hand is actually kind of a big deal, even with conspiracy breakers. especially since it's not like you can overdraw and then just get rid of what you were going to discard anyway, since it draws you more cards.
https://imgur.com/a/tTCOCK9
knee jerk reaction upon reading the first line of text: fuck stealth (but mostly net mercur in particular)
reaction after finishing the whole card: this might be a fun card in a world without net mercur. with net mercur, it's obnoxious
digression about how dumb net mercur is: the whole point of stealth as a mechanic is that they're a hyper-efficient resource (i.e. stealth breakers are way more efficient than regular breakers) that you have a limited amount of. net mercur is like hey how about instead you just have an unlimited amount? so so so dumb
stealth killer - switchblade replacement, i guess. sometimes it will be better than switchblade, but there aren't a lot of 1-2 strength sentries so most of the time it will be worse. but it's still really good. funny that the first ability makes you think Anansi, but actually it breaks Anansi for just 2 more non-stealth credits.
good flavor (i.e. art + name)
ghost runner replacement. i don't like that it's 2 influence criminal. are they changing stealth from a shaper mechanic to a criminal one? or maybe in 2025 they'll do anarch stealth
i love the 2 cheaper if you ran HQ mechanically - rewarding successful runs is fun ( <3 Gabe ). it's neat that if you're a stealth deck then 2 credits for 4 stealth credits is probably fine, but if you're just some deck that's planning on getting in to hq then 4 credits is also good enough
man I wish I could have played this in Nasir (except it would not have been worth the influence; they really could not have made it 1 instead of 2?)
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yeahCrunchums wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:02 pmdigression about how dumb net mercur is: the whole point of stealth as a mechanic is that they're a hyper-efficient resource (i.e. stealth breakers are way more efficient than regular breakers) that you have a limited amount of. net mercur is like hey how about instead you just have an unlimited amount? so so so dumb
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I'm almost surprised they didnt do something about that. i guess maybe stealth wasnt dominating or anything so much so it'd be weird to ban cards, but still, it seems flawed designwise
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in the 20ish minute youtube video that i made that nobody cared about i advocated for banning Net Mercur
the thing is that it's actually not a problem from a power level perspective, because Net Mercur => slow setup, so even though the optimal Net Mercur deck (always Smoke) crushes glacier and is generally miserable to play against, it's usually an underdog against tempo oriented corps
the thing is that it's actually not a problem from a power level perspective, because Net Mercur => slow setup, so even though the optimal Net Mercur deck (always Smoke) crushes glacier and is generally miserable to play against, it's usually an underdog against tempo oriented corps
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make these videos with a TTS program turned on so that theyre an article instead of a video
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it's limiting to how you can design stealth cards though rightCrunchums wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:38 pm in the 20ish minute youtube video that i made that nobody cared about i advocated for banning Net Mercur
the thing is that it's actually not a problem from a power level perspective, because Net Mercur => slow setup, so even though the optimal Net Mercur deck (always Smoke) crushes glacier and is generally miserable to play against, it's usually an underdog against tempo oriented corps
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that was what i realized afterwards, yeah. but i don't regret having done the video because i learned what it was like to make a videoJuri wrote: make these videos with a TTS program turned on so that theyre an article instead of a video
eh, not really? it's more limiting in terms of deckbuilding in that it's hard to justify a stealth deck that doesn't play net mercurJuri wrote:it's limiting to how you can design stealth cards though right
i think what you are getting at is that you can't make super strong cards that are balanced by relying on stealth credits, because net mercur makes them too good? i don't think net mercur actually changes things there because it's possible to have lots of stealth credits even without net mercur (especially with smoke)
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https://external-preview.redd.it/IncNW2 ... 4dc013f835
interesting. the numbers are pretty nuts, but it's not damage, so it's not going to flatline if the runner goes YOLO (though it will still do things in front of damage ice, and thimblerig is in-faction). funny that it can hit IHW. only one influence, too. slot machine is already a 1inf cheap + taxing code gate, but some decks might prefer this effect to just generic value. i think this is a solid option if you want to be playing a cheap + taxing code gate
neat art, too
interesting. the numbers are pretty nuts, but it's not damage, so it's not going to flatline if the runner goes YOLO (though it will still do things in front of damage ice, and thimblerig is in-faction). funny that it can hit IHW. only one influence, too. slot machine is already a 1inf cheap + taxing code gate, but some decks might prefer this effect to just generic value. i think this is a solid option if you want to be playing a cheap + taxing code gate
neat art, too
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Engram Flush might be the Jintekiest ice I've ever seen.
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That card is cool. I feel like it should have an additional subtype than observer though.
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https://anrbackchannels.tumblr.com/post ... ps-stealth
"only breaks barriers the turn you install it" is weird, especially on a stealth breaker. nice on runs where you're SMCing into a remote, but SMC is rotating. i think you'd rather play refractor, but refactor is rotating. so then the question is would you rather play Houdini; idk. stealth is boring
cloak replacement. i'm annoyed that they made a strictly better version. cloak was already totally playable!
i like the art
every time i think about shaper i'm like oh but that won't work because C&C is rotating, so it's disappointing that the shaper cards in this new set aren't very interesting. stealth + bonus-on-install breakers; yawn
also i hadn't seen this before but there's a clone chip replacement https://netrunnerdb.com/en/card/26085
i like that it actually incentivizes you to build your deck a certain way compared to clone chip being totally generic
"only breaks barriers the turn you install it" is weird, especially on a stealth breaker. nice on runs where you're SMCing into a remote, but SMC is rotating. i think you'd rather play refractor, but refactor is rotating. so then the question is would you rather play Houdini; idk. stealth is boring
cloak replacement. i'm annoyed that they made a strictly better version. cloak was already totally playable!
i like the art
every time i think about shaper i'm like oh but that won't work because C&C is rotating, so it's disappointing that the shaper cards in this new set aren't very interesting. stealth + bonus-on-install breakers; yawn
also i hadn't seen this before but there's a clone chip replacement https://netrunnerdb.com/en/card/26085
i like that it actually incentivizes you to build your deck a certain way compared to clone chip being totally generic
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full spoilers https://netrunnerdb.com/en/set/ur/full
DreamNet - oh hey juri look it's a card that cares about your identity being Digital. the only pre-existing Digital identity is Apex
so it's like Paragon, but it doesn't give an MU (or take your console slot). not sure how to evaluate that; Paragon is playable, but most decks want more MU, and you probably don't want to play both this and a console
Týr - I've seen this card before, but oh my god what a faceplant. i kind of hate crazy-awful faceplant ice because face-checking is fun, and it's dumb when runners can't do it because ice is so good that it's not even a question for the corp of whether the rez cost is worth the faceplant. at least this costs 10 (though you're getting some of that back between the second sub + whatever clicks that they give you). I'm glad it's Unique.
Cyberdex Sandbox - probably not good enough? even if purging is important, you'd probably rather be playing CVS and a different 4/2 than this. you'd really need a deck that wants to be purging repeatedly for this to be worth playing. likes Jeeves
DreamNet - oh hey juri look it's a card that cares about your identity being Digital. the only pre-existing Digital identity is Apex
so it's like Paragon, but it doesn't give an MU (or take your console slot). not sure how to evaluate that; Paragon is playable, but most decks want more MU, and you probably don't want to play both this and a console
Týr - I've seen this card before, but oh my god what a faceplant. i kind of hate crazy-awful faceplant ice because face-checking is fun, and it's dumb when runners can't do it because ice is so good that it's not even a question for the corp of whether the rez cost is worth the faceplant. at least this costs 10 (though you're getting some of that back between the second sub + whatever clicks that they give you). I'm glad it's Unique.
Cyberdex Sandbox - probably not good enough? even if purging is important, you'd probably rather be playing CVS and a different 4/2 than this. you'd really need a deck that wants to be purging repeatedly for this to be worth playing. likes Jeeves
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Click-drain is such a HB effect I'm surprised I haven't seen it before now
Also this art is legitimately excellent, esp when the digital arts are often the ones that they kind of phone in with a few glow and blur filters on top of a stock photo of a fruit or power tool or whatever. Great job nisei art peeps!
Also this art is legitimately excellent, esp when the digital arts are often the ones that they kind of phone in with a few glow and blur filters on top of a stock photo of a fruit or power tool or whatever. Great job nisei art peeps!
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I like that 'purge tribal' exists now, but I agree that cyberdex sandbox probably isn't good enough
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(but this card is so bad (especially given Black Orchestra) and forgettable that i do not blame you for not being aware of it
i was like "oh i think there is one already?" and then brought up the entire list of HB ice to go find it)
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Wait, wasn't Hoshiko Shiro a "Next Level Shut-In"? How come she's an "Untold Protagonist" now? Lame.
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insisting on calling her "shiro hoshiko" to tilt my opponents in tournaments