netrunner

To play and or discuss games and games

Moderator: Doug

Post Reply
User avatar
Crunchums
Forum Elf
Forum Elf
Posts: 16116
Joined: Aug 24, 2018

netrunner

Post by Crunchums » Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:21 am

editted in OP stuff:
timing charts: https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.c ... res_11.pdf
current MWL: https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.c ... 962018.pdf
comprehensive rules: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jR3XW7 ... nVf8f/view
magnum opus cards pdf: https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.c ... ncards.pdf

netrunner for magic players: http://web.archive.org/web/201301110752 ... ic-players
why i run: http://www.nagnazul.com/whyirun/whyirun.html
why i run (hard mode): http://www.nagnazul.com/whyirun/whyirun_hardmode.html
drilrunner: https://twitter.com/drilrunner?lang=en

/

https://stimhack.com/champion-card-community-review/
i guess these aren't real cards? who knows

Border Control - obviously amazing
Embolus - interesting, probably you can build around it and do ok
Slot Machine - sort of like NBN mausolus
Timely Public Release - probably not good enough to play
Crowdfunding - i love this card
Labor Rights - interesting, probably not going to see play as long as you can play inject. lets you do silly windfall things i guess
u gotta skate

User avatar
Crunchums
Forum Elf
Forum Elf
Posts: 16116
Joined: Aug 24, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Crunchums » Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:22 am

this is a good tweet
u gotta skate

User avatar
Crunchums
Forum Elf
Forum Elf
Posts: 16116
Joined: Aug 24, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Crunchums » Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:23 am

the latest MWL was better than i thought possible; worlds (which is soon) should be a lot of fun
toby is going but i am not
u gotta skate

User avatar
Juri
We're Knights of the Round Table
We attack each turn if able
Typewriter Monkey
Posts: 9999
Joined: Aug 23, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Juri » Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:17 am

Image

Wait, 2017 world champion Wilfy Horig? That's lagoche!

Cool
Image

User avatar
Crunchums
Forum Elf
Forum Elf
Posts: 16116
Joined: Aug 24, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Crunchums » Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:38 am

indeed it is
u gotta skate

User avatar
Juri
We're Knights of the Round Table
We attack each turn if able
Typewriter Monkey
Posts: 9999
Joined: Aug 23, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Juri » Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:38 am

Cool
Image

User avatar
Juri
We're Knights of the Round Table
We attack each turn if able
Typewriter Monkey
Posts: 9999
Joined: Aug 23, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Juri » Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:39 am

Are there cool decks I can build with just the core set? Im still in the 'play 1v1 with a fellow casual' phase, so they just need to be balanced vs each other
Image

User avatar
Crunchums
Forum Elf
Forum Elf
Posts: 16116
Joined: Aug 24, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Crunchums » Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:14 pm

i have no idea what you can build with revised core; gotta take a look
https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.c ... rdlist.pdf

and that's the tea this seems hard, especially since there are zero good fracters
the fact that these decks are just going to be playing each other is sort of weird
like you could play Morning Star and the only barriers that it can't touch on its own are Hadrian's Wall and Heimdall 1.0... so like is the corp playing those?

my first instinct is to play gabe (sucker, mimic, faerie, EMS) but there are so many problems. you need memory but all of the options for that are blah (rip desperado). rig is important but you don't have memory for both sneakdoor and a fracter stronger than aurora, oh and sucker too. and that's the tea

chaos theory might be the best. it's awkward because what you would want to do is mopus + 3 breakers but the fracter situation kind of ruins that unless you just play aurora. probably better to embrace dinosaurus problems and probably play 3 of it (the problem with dinosaurus is that it needs to be installed before the breaker you want to host it on). indexing is one of the strong cards in the box. so yeah probably CT

i love reina and you could probably do something with her here like dyson memchip + underworld contact. liberated is strong

thinking about this makes me feel like the original core is better just because it had more fun cards (desperado, parasite), although probably core 2 is more balanced (probably runner is favored in pure core 1). oh man i also realized that if you only have 1 box then you can't 3of a lot of things that you would want to; oh well (actually more of a problem in core 1 probably). so this deckbuilding thing really feels like a cripple-fight, heh

corp, idk
HB has some solid stuff, but your ID being garbage is really sad
Weyland you can either build punitive with 5/3s but only having 2 punitive is very sad for that so i'd probably not do that.
Jinteki I wouldn't touch; trying to play shell game without Cerebral Overwriter or Mushin sounds awful. you could build a regular deck, but the good cards that you get out of that is like Celebrity Gift, the end
NBN could be decent. probably just a normalish deck with some light tag punishment (some CA, some psycho) to punish tagme. probably every runner you build is going to not like tags, so raven is really good.

so uh those are my thoughts
u gotta skate

User avatar
Juri
We're Knights of the Round Table
We attack each turn if able
Typewriter Monkey
Posts: 9999
Joined: Aug 23, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Juri » Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:19 pm

That is some thoughts! Danke

Revised core2 has you start off with these tutorial decks, which are kinda hacks that ignore the influence rules

http://www.netrunnerdb.com/en/decklist/ ... orial-deck

https://netrunnerdb.com/en/decklist/472 ... orial-deck

So this is all I've played thus far
Image

User avatar
Crunchums
Forum Elf
Forum Elf
Posts: 16116
Joined: Aug 24, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Crunchums » Sat Sep 01, 2018 10:47 pm

btw if you use nrdb to build your decks then it's easy for you to share them here and then i could tell you my thoughts on them
also if there are specific things that you like doing or specific factions you like or something then i could recommend additional things to buy
u gotta skate

User avatar
Crunchums
Forum Elf
Forum Elf
Posts: 16116
Joined: Aug 24, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Crunchums » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:25 am

crunchums [11:21 PM]
yeah
I mean you probably still win
just as soon as you put another ice on R&D
and then purge

tf34 [11:21 PM]
yeah thats what i was aching for

crunchums [11:21 PM]
he needs a decoder in order to resume building turtle
seeeeeeeee 15 iceeeeee
ice ice baby

tf34 [11:21 PM]
yep

crunchums [11:21 PM]
max for president
although "more ICE" is a controversial political position atm
u gotta skate

User avatar
Juri
We're Knights of the Round Table
We attack each turn if able
Typewriter Monkey
Posts: 9999
Joined: Aug 23, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Juri » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:27 am

hah
Image

User avatar
Crunchums
Forum Elf
Forum Elf
Posts: 16116
Joined: Aug 24, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Crunchums » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:34 pm

u gotta skate

User avatar
Crunchums
Forum Elf
Forum Elf
Posts: 16116
Joined: Aug 24, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Crunchums » Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:23 pm

Image
(grip = hand, stack = library)
If the Runner has zero cards in grip, can they still choose to shuffle their grip into the stack in order to keep Loki from ending the run?
Yes, as long as there are at least 2 cards in the stack that can be shuffled.
wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee
u gotta skate

User avatar
Juri
We're Knights of the Round Table
We attack each turn if able
Typewriter Monkey
Posts: 9999
Joined: Aug 23, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Juri » Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:54 am

Crunchums wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:23 pm
as long as there are at least 2 cards in the stack that can be shuffled
ahahahaha
Image

User avatar
kouharti
...but history refused to change
...but history refused to change
Posts: 2000
Joined: Aug 23, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by kouharti » Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:03 am

shuffling zero cards counts and shuffling two cards count

User avatar
kouharti
...but history refused to change
...but history refused to change
Posts: 2000
Joined: Aug 23, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by kouharti » Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:03 am

one card is the card that cannot be shuffled

User avatar
Crunchums
Forum Elf
Forum Elf
Posts: 16116
Joined: Aug 24, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Crunchums » Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:17 pm

kouharti wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:03 am shuffling zero cards counts
no it doesn't
u gotta skate

User avatar
Crunchums
Forum Elf
Forum Elf
Posts: 16116
Joined: Aug 24, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Crunchums » Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:22 pm

it's because they didn't want it to be legal to do things just to trigger other things like
Image Image
not being able to use forger just to trigger tech trader; you can only use it if there's actually a tag to avoid or remove

but instead of having a sensible system magic (which uses "target" to accomplish this), they have this ridiculous kludge: an ability can only be triggered if it would change the game state.
(this is actually not the same rule as what's going on in the Loki situation above)
predictably it leads to a lot of wonky stuff
u gotta skate

User avatar
Rylinks
her skirt got quite a lot smaller,
but her heart is still the same
size it was before
Forum Elf
Posts: 12359
Joined: Jun 13, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Rylinks » Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:25 pm

magic just lives without accomplishing it; you can activate damage prevention even if there's no damage

User avatar
Crunchums
Forum Elf
Forum Elf
Posts: 16116
Joined: Aug 24, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Crunchums » Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:28 pm

Crunchums wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:22 pm an ability can only be triggered if it would change the game state
more specifically, if its effect alone would change the game state.

https://netrunnerdb.com/find/?q=dirty+laundry
https://netrunnerdb.com/find/?q=cyberdex+virus+suite
if you dirty laundry a remote server that's just CVS with no ice, the corp can use CVS to fizzle dirty laundry (because CVS trashes itself, meaning the server disappears, meaning the run is not successful, meaning DL doesn't pay out). but the corp can only do this if there are a virus tokens to purge - otherwise they're not allowed to triggers CVS

https://netrunnerdb.com/find/?q=clot
technically if the runner has a Clot but no virus tokens, the corp can't purge, because clot's ability doesn't count in the "would it change the game state" calculus. they had to add a rule specifically saying that abilities like clot's count in the calculus
u gotta skate

User avatar
Crunchums
Forum Elf
Forum Elf
Posts: 16116
Joined: Aug 24, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Crunchums » Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:31 pm

Rylinks wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:25 pm magic just lives without accomplishing it; you can activate damage prevention even if there's no damage
eh i don't really buy that; you can view damage prevention as the creation of a damage prevention shield
but probably there are cases where magic doesn't prevent stuff; my point is that targeting is a way of preventing stuff
u gotta skate

User avatar
Rylinks
her skirt got quite a lot smaller,
but her heart is still the same
size it was before
Forum Elf
Posts: 12359
Joined: Jun 13, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Rylinks » Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:40 pm

Crunchums wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:31 pm
Rylinks wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:25 pm magic just lives without accomplishing it; you can activate damage prevention even if there's no damage
eh i don't really buy that; you can view damage prevention as the creation of a damage prevention shield
but probably there are cases where magic doesn't prevent stuff; my point is that targeting is a way of preventing stuff
i don't think preventing stuff is the primary purpose of the targeting system, and i don't think that magic really tries to do this in non-targeting cases. Like, they could write "if you would be dealt damage, you may instead sacrifice ~" but they usually don't

User avatar
Crunchums
Forum Elf
Forum Elf
Posts: 16116
Joined: Aug 24, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Crunchums » Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:41 pm

sure i don't disagree with you? i'm just saying that netrunner has this kludge whereas magic doesn't
u gotta skate

User avatar
Hoshi
Fallen Star
Cardboard Robot
Posts: 838
Joined: Aug 24, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Hoshi » Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:08 pm

Crunchums wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:23 pm
If the Runner has zero cards in grip, can they still choose to shuffle their grip into the stack in order to keep Loki from ending the run?
Yes, as long as there are at least 2 cards in the stack that can be shuffled.
wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee
oh my god

User avatar
Crunchums
Forum Elf
Forum Elf
Posts: 16116
Joined: Aug 24, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Crunchums » Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:39 pm

https://www.twitch.tv/dodgepong
toby made the day 2 cut at worlds and now he is on stream
u gotta skate

User avatar
Juri
We're Knights of the Round Table
We attack each turn if able
Typewriter Monkey
Posts: 9999
Joined: Aug 23, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Juri » Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:11 pm

whered they get the cool credit chips from
Image

User avatar
Crunchums
Forum Elf
Forum Elf
Posts: 16116
Joined: Aug 24, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Crunchums » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:28 pm

Juri wrote: Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:11 pm whered they get the cool credit chips from
there are a million different custom tokens for netrunner
i dunno where a lot of them come from
u gotta skate

User avatar
Crunchums
Forum Elf
Forum Elf
Posts: 16116
Joined: Aug 24, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Crunchums » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:29 pm

toby made the cut to top 16 (he got 3rd)
lets goooooooooo
u gotta skate

User avatar
Juri
We're Knights of the Round Table
We attack each turn if able
Typewriter Monkey
Posts: 9999
Joined: Aug 23, 2018

Re: netrunner

Post by Juri » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:40 pm

woo Image
Image

Post Reply