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Post by Doug » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:32 pm

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Post by Dantes » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:32 pm

Doug wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:30 pm
Rylinks wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:27 pm
For that reason, in future cases, we should reconsider all
of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell
one guess which justice wrote this concurrence
Which ones are these
In order, Contraception, Sodomy, Gay marriage.
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Post by Doug » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:33 pm

Rylinks wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:31 pm
Doug wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:30 pm
Rylinks wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:27 pm
For that reason, in future cases, we should reconsider all
of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell
one guess which justice wrote this concurrence
Which ones are these
contracteption, gay sex (securities fraud) (securities fraud), and gay marriage
tyty
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Post by Doug » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:33 pm

Dantes wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:32 pm
Doug wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:30 pm
Rylinks wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:27 pm
For that reason, in future cases, we should reconsider all
of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell
one guess which justice wrote this concurrence
Which ones are these
In order, Contraception, Interracial marriage, Gay marriage.
tyty
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Post by Dantes » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:35 pm

Doug wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:33 pm
Dantes wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:32 pm
Doug wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:30 pm
Rylinks wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:27 pm
For that reason, in future cases, we should reconsider all
of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell
one guess which justice wrote this concurrence
Which ones are these
In order, Contraception, Sodomy, Gay marriage.
tyty
I messed my list up and put in Loving (Interracial marriage) instead of Lawrence (sodomy) then I deleted the wrong one when I tried to correct. In short, I really fucked my list up. Sorry about that.
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Post by Doug » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:36 pm

loving (interracial marriage) and sex (securities fraud)
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Post by Doug » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:37 pm

Lawrence (sodomy) of Arabia
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Post by Doug » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:38 pm

Dantes wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:35 pm
Doug wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:33 pm
Dantes wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:32 pm
Doug wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:30 pm
Rylinks wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:27 pm
For that reason, in future cases, we should reconsider all
of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell
one guess which justice wrote this concurrence
Which ones are these
In order, Contraception, Sodomy, Gay marriage.
tyty
I messed my list up and put in Loving (Interracial marriage) instead of Lawrence (sodomy) then I deleted the wrong one when I tried to correct. In short, I really fucked my list up. Sorry about that.
I didn't actually notice your mistake, I just quoted and said ty for your answer lol
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Post by Rylinks » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:45 pm

what do you guys think the chances of the NFL releasing deshaun watson's suspension today is

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Post by Doug » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:46 pm

ff states start forbidding women from having abortions, surely the fiscal responsibility of men becomes more imperative, if that's even possible
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Post by Dantes » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:50 pm

Doug wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:46 pm ff states start forbidding women from having abortions, surely the fiscal responsibility of men becomes more imperative, if that's even possible
It absolutely must.
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Post by Dantes » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:51 pm

Rylinks wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:45 pm what do you guys think the chances of the NFL releasing deshaun watson's suspension today is
Whosiwhat?

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Post by Doug » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:52 pm

TBH part of me was hoping that everything would go the extreme opposite direction, that a medical right to privacy would be so upheld that no vaccine mandate or passport would ever be constitutional. But that wasn't realistic of course
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Post by Dantes » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:53 pm

I hope that this marks the beginning of the end of Judicial supremacy in this country.

If it really is, then Trump will have been worth it.
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Post by Crunchums » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:59 pm

Rylinks wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:45 pm what do you guys think the chances of the NFL releasing deshaun watson's suspension today is
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Post by Doug » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:00 pm

Dantes wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:53 pm I hope that this marks the beginning of the end of Judicial supremacy in this country.

If it really is, then Trump will have been worth it.
Worth what, what did we sacrifice
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Post by Crunchums » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:06 pm

Dantes wrote:I hope that this marks the beginning of the end of Judicial supremacy in this country.
i think i understand what you're getting at here, but in my mind it's the continuation of Judicial supremacy, like 70 years from now something like Roe will be back in effect because Dems were able to tilt the court back to them
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Post by Rylinks » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:07 pm

i don't see how this future ruling would make the present one judicial supremacy

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Post by Rylinks » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:09 pm

like it's pretty easy to say the Lochner court (which used substantive due process to strike down provisions of the new deal such as workplace protections and minimum wage laws) was a product of judicial supremacy, and the switch was the relinquishment of judicial supremacy, even though the switch happened amidst strong political pressure and hypothetically a different court 70 years in the future could revive lochner

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Post by Doug » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:19 pm

omg omg omg "I can't believe abortion was removed under Biden" lol
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Post by Crunchums » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:26 pm

Rylinks wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:07 pm i don't see how this future ruling would make the present one judicial supremacy
i mean judicial supremacy in the sense of "control of the supreme court is the only thing that matters in american politics", not this thing that comes up when i google
“Judicial supremacy” is the idea that the Supreme Court should be viewed as the authoritative interpreter of the Constitution and that we should deem its decisions as binding on the other branches and levels of government, until and unless constitutional amendment or subsequent decision overrules them.
that is presumably what you mean
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Post by Dantes » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:27 pm

Crunchums wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:06 pm
Dantes wrote:I hope that this marks the beginning of the end of Judicial supremacy in this country.
i think i understand what you're getting at here, but in my mind it's the continuation of Judicial supremacy, like 70 years from now something like Roe will be back in effect because Dems were able to tilt the court back to them
In Roe the court arrogated significant power to itself to regulate society in ways that it had never previously done. This is an explicit return of that power to congress.

In the possible future you foresee, that would be the court again grabbing power.
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Post by Dantes » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:28 pm

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Post by Rylinks » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:29 pm

Crunchums wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:26 pm
Rylinks wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:07 pm i don't see how this future ruling would make the present one judicial supremacy
i mean judicial supremacy in the sense of "control of the supreme court is the only thing that matters in american politics", not this thing that comes up when i google
“Judicial supremacy” is the idea that the Supreme Court should be viewed as the authoritative interpreter of the Constitution and that we should deem its decisions as binding on the other branches and levels of government, until and unless constitutional amendment or subsequent decision overrules them.
that is presumably what you mean
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i meant something like your meaning. What i was saying is that this ruling is not judicial supremacy, because now federal and state legislatures decide whether abortions are prohibited

just like when the lochner court stopped striking down workplace protection laws, federal and state legislatures (and FDR) were able to pass laws

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Post by Dantes » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:29 pm

Crunchums wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:26 pm i mean judicial supremacy in the sense of "control of the supreme court is the only thing that matters in american politics", not this thing that comes up when i google
If congress does its fucking job, and Scotus stays out of the way, control of the supreme court is significantly less important.
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Post by Crunchums » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:36 pm

Dantes wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:27 pm
Crunchums wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:06 pm
Dantes wrote:I hope that this marks the beginning of the end of Judicial supremacy in this country.
i think i understand what you're getting at here, but in my mind it's the continuation of Judicial supremacy, like 70 years from now something like Roe will be back in effect because Dems were able to tilt the court back to them
In Roe the court arrogated significant power to itself to regulate society in ways that it had never previously done. This is an explicit return of that power to congress.

In the possible future you foresee, that would be the court again grabbing power.
i understand that framing. but in practice congress never does anything, so i think another reasonable framing would be that the court is the entity that controls the legality of abortion (and the court is controlled by whichever party has won the game of controlling the court)
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Post by Crunchums » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:37 pm

Dantes wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:29 pm If congress does its fucking job,
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Post by Crunchums » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:40 pm

the two party system (which is itself a downstream consequence of the structure of our political system) is bad and means that congress is never going to work
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Post by Rylinks » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:43 pm

Crunchums wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:36 pm
i understand that framing. but in practice congress never does anything, so i think another reasonable framing would be that the court is the entity that controls the legality of abortion (and the court is controlled by whichever party has won the game of controlling the court)
state legislatures do a lot!

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