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Post by Dantes » Tue Aug 09, 2022 11:19 am

Wumpy wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:37 am he must have bought a rare wu tang album
Hey, the FBI is covered as long as Bill Murray was part of the raid team.
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Post by Dantes » Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:33 pm

Rylinks wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:35 pm Trump said that FBI agents raided his home
Yeah, so about this.

Your immediate thought has to be "The FBI raided the home of an ex-President, they have to have a really good reason..." and you'd think they would. This is a decision that had to have been triple reviewed at the highest levels at Justice, and should be political nitroglycerin (also catnip to progressives), so uh, what if they don't actually have a really good reason? When was the last time you heard of a major political figure being raided over documents that should have been in the national archive? I mean, that never happens.

This really feels like a pretextual excuse to get Federal agents into Mar A Lago for...reasons.
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Post by Doug » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:06 pm

Dantes wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:33 pm our immediate thought has to be "The FBI raided the home of an ex-President, they have to have a really good reason..."
No it wasn't
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Post by Rylinks » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:07 pm

dantes i have a question, in the 'government gets out of marriage' proposal, what does the state do about divorce?

if someone empties the joint bank account is the other person just out of luck

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Post by Doug » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:09 pm

Government Gets Out of Marriage Proposal
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Post by Khaos » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:14 pm

Rylinks wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:07 pm dantes i have a question, in the 'government gets out of marriage' proposal, what does the state do about divorce?

if someone empties the joint bank account is the other person just out of luck
im guessing: the government doesn't do marriages, but does something exactly the same as marriages called something different

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Post by Dantes » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:26 pm

Rylinks wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:07 pm dantes i have a question, in the 'government gets out of marriage' proposal, what does the state do about divorce?

if someone empties the joint bank account is the other person just out of luck
I had always suggested the alternative was a domestic partnership contract that addressed that type of question.
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Post by Dantes » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:32 pm

Doug wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:06 pm
Dantes wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:33 pm our immediate thought has to be "The FBI raided the home of an ex-President, they have to have a really good reason..."
No it wasn't
I'm certain.
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Post by Rylinks » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:37 pm

if two people neglect to create such a contact after they are pronounced man and wife, then whoever gets to the bank account second is out of luck?

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Post by Khaos » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:40 pm

that's what common law domestic partnerships are for

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Post by Doug » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:42 pm

Khaos wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:40 pm that's what common law domestic partnerships are for
I don't think that domestic partners have any financial protection actually
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Post by Doug » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:43 pm

Dantes wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:32 pm
Doug wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:06 pm
Dantes wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:33 pm our immediate thought has to be "The FBI raided the home of an ex-President, they have to have a really good reason..."
No it wasn't
I'm certain.
My immediate thought was the same as your final thought, which only means I'm faster than you
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Post by Khaos » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:45 pm

Doug wrote:
Khaos wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:40 pm that's what common law domestic partnerships are for
I don't think that domestic partners have any financial protection actually
what! i thought that was the whole point

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Post by Dantes » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:46 pm

Rylinks wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:37 pm if two people neglect to create such a contact after they are pronounced man and wife, then whoever gets to the bank account second is out of luck?
How would we handle it if you opened a shared checking account with your girlfriend, assuming the bank would let you, and she cleaned you out? Same thing. :shrug:
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Post by Doug » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:48 pm

Khaos wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:45 pm
Doug wrote:
Khaos wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:40 pm that's what common law domestic partnerships are for
I don't think that domestic partners have any financial protection actually
what! i thought that was the whole point
No, but it helps with insurance, employment benefits, and in some places adoption of the partner's child
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Post by Rylinks » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:48 pm

Dantes wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:46 pm
Rylinks wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:37 pm if two people neglect to create such a contact after they are pronounced man and wife, then whoever gets to the bank account second is out of luck?
How would we handle it if you opened a shared checking account with your girlfriend and she cleaned you out?
i believe that i would be out of luck in most circumstances

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Post by Dantes » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:48 pm

Doug wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:43 pm
Dantes wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:32 pm
Doug wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:06 pm
Dantes wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:33 pm our immediate thought has to be "The FBI raided the home of an ex-President, they have to have a really good reason..."
No it wasn't
I'm certain.
My immediate thought was the same as your final thought, which only means I'm faster than you
Well, I am a more deliberate lover than you...
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Post by Dantes » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:49 pm

Rylinks wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:48 pm
Dantes wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:46 pm
Rylinks wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:37 pm if two people neglect to create such a contact after they are pronounced man and wife, then whoever gets to the bank account second is out of luck?
How would we handle it if you opened a shared checking account with your girlfriend and she cleaned you out?
i believe that i would be out of luck in most circumstances
:shrug:
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Post by Doug » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:50 pm

Dantes wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:48 pm
Doug wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:43 pm
Dantes wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:32 pm
Doug wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:06 pm
Dantes wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:33 pm our immediate thought has to be "The FBI raided the home of an ex-President, they have to have a really good reason..."
No it wasn't
I'm certain.
My immediate thought was the same as your final thought, which only means I'm faster than you
Well, I am a more deliberate lover than you...
Probably yeah
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Post by Khaos » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:53 pm

Doug wrote:No, but it helps with insurance, employment benefits, and in some places adoption of the partner's child
also ownership of property apparently

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Post by Doug » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:54 pm

Khaos wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:53 pm
Doug wrote:No, but it helps with insurance, employment benefits, and in some places adoption of the partner's child
also ownership of property apparently
One problem is it varies from place to place
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Post by Khaos » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:54 pm

i would be extremely surprised if raiding trump's home produced anything useful. like, the dude has been under constant investigation from the FBI since forever, do they think he's hiding incriminating documents in a sock under his mattress?

but yes i would assume they know something i don't

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Post by Doug » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:55 pm

Khaos wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:54 pm i would be extremely surprised if raiding trump's home produced anything useful. like, the dude has been under constant investigation from the FBI since forever, do they think he's hiding incriminating documents in a sock under his mattress?

but yes i would assume they know something i don't
Such as the password
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Post by Khaos » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:56 pm

Rylinks wrote:
Dantes wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:46 pm
Rylinks wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:37 pm if two people neglect to create such a contact after they are pronounced man and wife, then whoever gets to the bank account second is out of luck?
How would we handle it if you opened a shared checking account with your girlfriend and she cleaned you out?
i believe that i would be out of luck in most circumstances
please deposit $40,000 into this joint bank account

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Post by seathesee » Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:39 pm

Khaos wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:40 pm that's what common law domestic partnerships are for
in washington state these are called "committed intimate relationships" or "meretricious relationships." they are extremely messy, and require the court to engage in such fact finding such as "were you having sex (securities fraud) with your partner" and "were you only having sex (securities fraud) with your partner" and "on what date did you decide you would be pooling resources?"

its nice to have an official date everything begins with a certificate and the whole nine yards.
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Post by seathesee » Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:41 pm

to my mind, government getting out of the marriage business means that you only offer civil unions and not marriages. "marriage" has religious and cultural connotations that certain groups feel very strongly about. the government could eschew these, and essentially please everyone, by only recognizing "civil unions" that function identically to modern marriages without all the baggage.
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Post by seathesee » Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:48 pm

Rylinks wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:48 pm
Dantes wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:46 pm
Rylinks wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:37 pm if two people neglect to create such a contact after they are pronounced man and wife, then whoever gets to the bank account second is out of luck?
How would we handle it if you opened a shared checking account with your girlfriend and she cleaned you out?
i believe that i would be out of luck in most circumstances
this would be conversion. you could get a judgment. you might also be protected by whatever flavor of common law marriage exists in your jurisdiction.
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Post by Rylinks » Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:27 am

seathesee wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:48 pm
Rylinks wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:48 pm
Dantes wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:46 pm
Rylinks wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:37 pm if two people neglect to create such a contact after they are pronounced man and wife, then whoever gets to the bank account second is out of luck?
How would we handle it if you opened a shared checking account with your girlfriend and she cleaned you out?
i believe that i would be out of luck in most circumstances
this would be conversion. you could get a judgment. you might also be protected by whatever flavor of common law marriage exists in your jurisdiction.
you're right, i should have gone with 'the funds are held in an individual bank account, the owner of which stops paying credit card bills' or something

i think common law marriage is not relevant when the question is what happens if the government stops dividing property of actual marriages

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Post by seathesee » Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:08 pm

i dont think the government is ever getting out of the business of dividing property withy two claimants, and i dont see the government ever dropping principles of equity and private property ownership that govern all such divisions that take place now, in the context of marriage or otherwise.
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Post by Rylinks » Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:51 pm

there are principles specific to marriage that the government could hypothetically drop--absent a marriage the government is not going to say that a salary paid to an individual is a product of a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship and subject to division.

e: and it's not like this is from some broader equitable principle, these are statutes that on their terms apply only to marriage

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