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Post by Wumpy » Fri May 07, 2021 9:33 pm

Ashenai wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:11 pm Yeah, I'm fairly confident India is going to overtake the US at some point.
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Post by Skeletor » Fri May 07, 2021 10:58 pm

Ashenai wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:11 pm Yeah, I'm fairly confident India is going to overtake the US at some point.
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Post by Dantes » Mon May 10, 2021 1:40 pm

Skeletor wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 10:58 pm
Ashenai wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:11 pm Yeah, I'm fairly confident India is going to overtake the US at some point.
In the extremely slow race of plate techtonics
My money is on the New Hebrides Plate. At 1,100,000 km2, it's small, but it's a real work horse.
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Post by Blissful » Mon May 10, 2021 4:18 pm

Dantes wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 1:40 pm
Skeletor wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 10:58 pm
Ashenai wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 6:11 pm Yeah, I'm fairly confident India is going to overtake the US at some point.
In the extremely slow race of plate techtonics
My money is on the New Hebrides Plate. At 1,100,000 km2, it's small, but it's a real work horse.
Okhotsk Plate Gang in the house
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Post by Doug » Mon May 10, 2021 6:30 pm

Daily Mail wrote:France bans schools from teaching 'gender neutral' words with full stops in the middle because they are 'a threat to the language'

- Academie Francais, which guards the French language, has told school teachers to stop using 'gender neutral' word spellings in classrooms
- New spellings use full stops to break up words and include both male and female endings in an effort to make language 'more inclusive'
- For example, word 'amis' meaning 'friends', would be spelled ami.e.s to include the female 'e' ending - though it would be pronounced as usual
- Academie says changing the rules represents a threat to the French language
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Post by pterrus » Mon May 10, 2021 6:35 pm

Big French standing in the way of social progress.

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Post by Doug » Mon May 10, 2021 6:50 pm

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Post by Dantes » Mon May 10, 2021 6:52 pm

France, shockingly enough, is very interested in remaining culturally France.

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Post by Khaos » Mon May 10, 2021 6:54 pm

the full stops are stupid but not as stupid as stopping threats to the french language

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Post by Khaos » Mon May 10, 2021 6:54 pm

Dantes wrote:France, shockingly enough, is very interested in remaining culturally France.

Good for them.
and here i thought you were a libertarian :lol:

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Post by Doug » Mon May 10, 2021 6:57 pm

Khaos wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 6:54 pm the full stops are stupid but not as stupid as stopping threats to the french language
I don't understand this reaction

If I told you that the Hawaiian language were under threat, what would be your reaction to that
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Post by Dantes » Mon May 10, 2021 6:59 pm

Khaos wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 6:54 pm
Dantes wrote:France, shockingly enough, is very interested in remaining culturally France.

Good for them.
and here i thought you were a libertarian :lol:
I am. I am also a traditionalist.

There's a tension that I'll concede, but what it means practically is that I think there are things we should protect, and we should use the minimum amount of government interference necessary to protect them.
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Post by Khaos » Mon May 10, 2021 7:00 pm

Doug wrote:
Khaos wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 6:54 pm the full stops are stupid but not as stupid as stopping threats to the french language
I don't understand this reaction

If I told you that the Hawaiian language were under threat, what would be your reaction to that
i'd say the government authority that was declaring that was stupid

i might tack on 'lol' at the end for rub-ins

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Post by Doug » Mon May 10, 2021 7:02 pm

Khaos wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:00 pm
Doug wrote:
Khaos wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 6:54 pm the full stops are stupid but not as stupid as stopping threats to the french language
I don't understand this reaction

If I told you that the Hawaiian language were under threat, what would be your reaction to that
i'd say the government authority that was declaring that was stupid
Because they have no business saying so, or merely because you're saying it's not happening (which is simply denying the hypothetical, and not very interesting)
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Post by Dantes » Mon May 10, 2021 7:04 pm

I'd also argue that control of language is important. If you control language, you control concepts. I think anyone changing the language in order to embed their preferred social/political/etc. concepts into the fabric of the language should be terrifying to anyone who has ever even looked at a copy of 1984.
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Post by Doug » Mon May 10, 2021 7:05 pm

Dantes wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:04 pm I'd also argue that control of language is important. If you control language, you control concepts.
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Post by Khaos » Mon May 10, 2021 7:05 pm

Doug wrote:
Khaos wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:00 pm
Doug wrote:
I don't understand this reaction

If I told you that the Hawaiian language were under threat, what would be your reaction to that
i'd say the government authority that was declaring that was stupid
Because they have no business saying so, or merely because you're saying it's not happening (which is simply denying the hypothetical, and not very interesting)
well the government has business in determining the curriculum, that's fine. but if the canadian government declared l33t speak a threat to the english or french language i would find that hilarious

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Post by Doug » Mon May 10, 2021 7:06 pm

Khaos wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:05 pm
Doug wrote:
Khaos wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:00 pm
i'd say the government authority that was declaring that was stupid
Because they have no business saying so, or merely because you're saying it's not happening (which is simply denying the hypothetical, and not very interesting)
well the government has business in determining the curriculum, that's fine. but if the canadian government declared l33t speak a threat to the english or french language i would find that hilarious
That's fair but isn't really analogous -- the French thing was in schools, not just some fun Internet thing
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Post by Dantes » Mon May 10, 2021 7:06 pm

Khaos wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:05 pm
Doug wrote:
Khaos wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:00 pm
i'd say the government authority that was declaring that was stupid
Because they have no business saying so, or merely because you're saying it's not happening (which is simply denying the hypothetical, and not very interesting)
well the government has business in determining the curriculum, that's fine. but if the canadian government declared l33t speak a threat to the english or french language i would find that hilarious
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Post by Khaos » Mon May 10, 2021 7:08 pm

Dantes wrote:I'd also argue that control of language is important. If you control language, you control concepts. I think anyone changing the language in order to embed their preferred political concepts into the fabric of the language should be terrifying to anyone who has ever even looked at a copy of 1984.
i am greatly amused by the idea of 1984 being used to defend government actions quelling changes in language

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Post by Khaos » Mon May 10, 2021 7:09 pm

Dantes wrote:
Khaos wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:05 pm
Doug wrote:
Because they have no business saying so, or merely because you're saying it's not happening (which is simply denying the hypothetical, and not very interesting)
well the government has business in determining the curriculum, that's fine. but if the canadian government declared l33t speak a threat to the english or french language i would find that hilarious
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yes in the dantes world the government would have quashed leet speak before it could ruin society

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Post by Doug » Mon May 10, 2021 7:09 pm

Also, you can't really compare English with French. Changes to French are formalized. English is by its very nature a mishmash of French, German, Gaelic, what-have-you. (I knew the lingo, every good cop did. But I wasn't going to make it easier for him)
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Post by Khaos » Mon May 10, 2021 7:10 pm

Doug wrote:
Khaos wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:05 pm
Doug wrote:
Because they have no business saying so, or merely because you're saying it's not happening (which is simply denying the hypothetical, and not very interesting)
well the government has business in determining the curriculum, that's fine. but if the canadian government declared l33t speak a threat to the english or french language i would find that hilarious
That's fair but isn't really analogous -- the French thing was in schools, not just some fun Internet thing
yeah. the government could punish teachers for not teaching the curriculum, that's not the amusing part to me

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Post by Crunchums » Mon May 10, 2021 7:11 pm

Doug wrote:(I knew the lingo, every good cop did. But I wasn't going to make it easier for him)
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Post by Khaos » Mon May 10, 2021 7:12 pm

Doug wrote:Also, you can't really compare English with French. Changes to French are formalized. English is by its very nature a mishmash of French, German, Gaelic, what-have-you. (I knew the lingo, every good cop did. But I wasn't going to make it easier for him)
there's a bunch of french words people in france use that are taken from english

we don't use those words here though. they're too english. we need to protect the french language in canada, you see, so french in france is a little different than what we have here

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Post by Dantes » Mon May 10, 2021 7:16 pm

Khaos wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:09 pm
Dantes wrote:
Khaos wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:05 pm
well the government has business in determining the curriculum, that's fine. but if the canadian government declared l33t speak a threat to the english or french language i would find that hilarious
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yes in the dantes world the government would have quashed leet speak before it could ruin society
I think you're not understanding my position here.

The French people have staked out the position that it is important to protect French Identity and Culture. They have built up institutions to do precisely that. It does not particularly bother me that those institutions are trying to stop intentional, aesthetically grotesque, and artificial alterations to the French language being pushed by people with an agenda.
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Post by Khaos » Mon May 10, 2021 7:22 pm

yeah i think maybe i find the whole "we need to protect our culture" idea some combination of stupid, bad, and evil

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Post by Rylinks » Mon May 10, 2021 7:24 pm

i don't think it's a problem for libertarians that a government is dictating what teachers teach at public schools

beyond the existance of public schools in the first place, of course

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Post by Doug » Mon May 10, 2021 7:28 pm

Khaos wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:22 pm yeah i think maybe i find the whole "we need to protect our culture" idea some combination of stupid, bad, and evil
Why would you think that, though
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Post by Dantes » Mon May 10, 2021 7:28 pm

Khaos wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:22 pm yeah i think maybe i find the whole "we need to protect our culture" idea some combination of stupid, bad, and evil
It isn't though. A shared culture is how any organized groupings of humans ever manages to function. Common values, ideals, and language are important tools for us to be effective teams and to advance whatever our goal is.

That's not to say a culture shouldn't change and evolve organically over time either. It just means that when you have an effective culture (and clearly the French do so believe that they do), it is important to protect what makes that culture work.
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