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Post by Monty » Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:24 am

The Maltese Falcon is one of my favorite movies. It's true that the plot doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but everyone is an incredibly entertaining character actor, so it's a ton of fun. Sydney Greenstreet is having a lot of fun.
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Still Alive wrote: Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:18 am
Doug wrote:This is a classic film, but as with some classics, it's more important than great
that's a great way of putting it. i enjoyed the third man and casablanca (and the maltese falcon is pretty good), but, man, Vertigo just ... i guess i don't really like movies
I love Vertigo and Casablanca. I've seen The Third Man and I remember thinking it was good but not so good that I needed to see it again soon

So what's on the wishlist? Rules of the Game; Bride of Frankenstein; M; The Big Sleep
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Post by Doug » Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:24 am

Separately from the 40s thing, I was thinking about buying Sicario, it's on sale

I heard it was awesome, is it awesome
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Post by Dantes » Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:37 am

Still Alive wrote: Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:18 am
Doug wrote:This is a classic film, but as with some classics, it's more important than great
that's a great way of putting it. i enjoyed the third man and casablanca (and the maltese falcon is pretty good), but, man, Vertigo just ... i guess i don't really like movies
Casablanca is an all time favorite. Do yourself a favor and find a copy of the 75th anniversary restoration. It’s amazing.
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Still Alive wrote: Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:18 am
Doug wrote:This is a classic film, but as with some classics, it's more important than great
that's a great way of putting it. i enjoyed the third man and casablanca (and the maltese falcon is pretty good), but, man, Vertigo just ... i guess i don't really like movies
Yeah I didn't really dig Vertigo either, it's not just you.

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Post by Doug » Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:04 am

I just watched M

What an incredible film
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Post by Monty » Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:13 am

Yeah! Peter Lorre was an amazing actor.
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Post by Khaos » Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:47 pm

i watched onward with the fam. it was good. the ending was sad

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Post by Doug » Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:21 pm

Taking a break from my films of the '30s and '40s initiative, I watched Sicario last night (because it was heavily discounted on sale)

Jesus that was great. Dune is in good hands -- which I already knew, but this really reaffirms it
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Post by Dantes » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:03 pm

Doug wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:21 pm Taking a break from my films of the '30s and '40s initiative, I watched Sicario last night (because it was heavily discounted on sale)

Jesus that was great. Dune is in good hands -- which I already knew, but this really reaffirms it
Let's be honest. There really aren't good enough hands to do something great with Dune.
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Post by Still Alive » Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:21 pm

Doug wrote:Taking a break from my films of the '30s and '40s initiative, I watched Sicario last night (because it was heavily discounted on sale)

Jesus that was great. Dune is in good hands -- which I already knew, but this really reaffirms it
the making of sicario is somewhat interesting. the guy who wrote it is a bit actor who's been playing tv cowboys for like, twenty years?, thirty years? the guy kind of never really hit it, but then the things he was staring in wasn't actually so great anyway, so the guy finally just says fuck it, zero experience writing / making movies, but i'm gonna write some real shit, and so he goes off and writes sicario, hell or high water (which is great (and got him an oscar nomination)), and writes and directs Wind River, which i've still got to see. i've heard good things

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Post by Doug » Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:22 pm

Dantes wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:03 pm
Doug wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:21 pm Taking a break from my films of the '30s and '40s initiative, I watched Sicario last night (because it was heavily discounted on sale)

Jesus that was great. Dune is in good hands -- which I already knew, but this really reaffirms it
Let's be honest. There really aren't good enough hands to do something great with Dune.
I predict you are wrong
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Post by Hoshi » Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:35 am

Doug wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:21 pm Taking a break from my films of the '30s and '40s initiative, I watched Sicario last night (because it was heavily discounted on sale)

Jesus that was great. Dune is in good hands -- which I already knew, but this really reaffirms it
I've been meaning to watch it. I love that director. I really liked Prisoners, even if it got a bit hokey at the end.


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Post by Doug » Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:13 pm

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Post by Ashenai » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:31 am

I started reading Dune and really liked it, then I kept reading and liked it less. The flawless Mary Sue protagonist was really starting to grate. I've heard that the sequels are somehow even worse about this, which killed any desire to read them.

I think I definitely would have loved it if I'd read it in high school, though.

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Post by Dantes » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:33 pm

Ashenai wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:31 am I started reading Dune and really liked it, then I kept reading and liked it less. The flawless Mary Sue protagonist was really starting to grate. I've heard that the sequels are somehow even worse about this, which killed any desire to read them.

I think I definitely would have loved it if I'd read it in high school, though.
That's the problem. The book starts out strong and then fades fast, and you're right the sequels are even worse (let's not even talk about the non Herbert sequels). Everyone I know who adores Dune read it when they were a kid, most people I know who think it's not great read it as an adult.
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Post by Doug » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:34 pm

Yeah, but then I run into people all the time who think that the Godfather Part II is a contrast between Vito and Michael, so
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Post by Doug » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:42 pm

Oh, that reminds me, fridge brilliance

First lines of Infinity War:
Thanos wrote:I know what it’s like to lose. To feel so desperately that you’re right, yet to fail nonetheless.
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It's a preface -- he's describing the movie
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Post by drk » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:54 pm

Doug wrote:Oh, that reminds me, fridge brilliance

First lines of Infinity War:
Thanos wrote:I know what it’s like to lose. To feel so desperately that you’re right, yet to fail nonetheless.
Spoiler!
It's a preface -- he's describing the movie
Everyone knows how the Jurassic Park helicopter scene fits into the movie, right?
Spoiler!
Dr. Grant can't buckle his seatbelt - they're two female ends. But, life finds a way.

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Post by Doug » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:56 pm

That's really good
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Post by Dantes » Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:17 pm

drk wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:54 pm
Doug wrote:Oh, that reminds me, fridge brilliance

First lines of Infinity War:
Thanos wrote:I know what it’s like to lose. To feel so desperately that you’re right, yet to fail nonetheless.
Spoiler!
It's a preface -- he's describing the movie
Everyone knows how the Jurassic Park helicopter scene fits into the movie, right?
Spoiler!
Dr. Grant can't buckle his seatbelt - they're two female ends. But, life finds a way.
Oh wow, I never made that connection.
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Post by Dantes » Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:24 pm

Doug wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:34 pm Yeah, but then I run into people all the time who think that the Godfather Part II is a contrast between Vito and Michael, so
And?
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Post by Doug » Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:27 pm

Dantes wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:24 pm
Doug wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:34 pm Yeah, but then I run into people all the time who think that the Godfather Part II is a contrast between Vito and Michael, so
And?
And so, missing the point is common

Even among top movie critics
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Post by Dantes » Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:38 pm

Doug wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:27 pm
Dantes wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:24 pm
Doug wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:34 pm Yeah, but then I run into people all the time who think that the Godfather Part II is a contrast between Vito and Michael, so
And?
And so, missing the point is common

Even among top movie critics
W/R/T Dune, what point is being missed?
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Post by Doug » Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:44 pm

Dantes wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:38 pm W/R/T Dune, what point is being missed?
It's asking whether the crucible that is Arrakis is what makes Paul into a messiah, or is it what the Bene Gesserit would imagine, which is that Paul was born a messiah.

And then related questions, does the assumed righteousness of jihad come from the holiness of a place, or does it come from the harshness of a place

Herbert was fascinated by this idea that harsh places make stronger people -- he does it twice in Dune (with Arrakis but also with Salusa Secondus, which we only hear about vicariously), and also in an unrelated book, The Dosadi Experiment
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Post by Dantes » Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:57 pm

Doug wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:44 pm
Dantes wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:38 pm W/R/T Dune, what point is being missed?
It's asking whether the crucible that is Arrakis is what makes Paul into a messiah, or is it what the Bene Gesserit would imagine, which is that Paul was born a messiah.

And then related questions, does the assumed righteousness of jihad come from the holiness of a place, or does it come from the harshness of a place

Herbert was fascinated by this idea that harsh places make stronger people -- he does it twice in Dune (with Arrakis but also with Salusa Secondus, which we only hear about vicariously), and also in an unrelated book, The Dosadi Experiment
There's a difference between a mary sue charatcer and a messiah though! Moreover, people thinking the book is overrated is not the same missing the point of the book. If I had said it's a story about interstellar drug trade and reincarnation, you might rightly have said I had missed the point.
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Dantes wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:57 pm
Doug wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:44 pm
Dantes wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:38 pm W/R/T Dune, what point is being missed?
It's asking whether the crucible that is Arrakis is what makes Paul into a messiah, or is it what the Bene Gesserit would imagine, which is that Paul was born a messiah.

And then related questions, does the assumed righteousness of jihad come from the holiness of a place, or does it come from the harshness of a place

Herbert was fascinated by this idea that harsh places make stronger people -- he does it twice in Dune (with Arrakis but also with Salusa Secondus, which we only hear about vicariously), and also in an unrelated book, The Dosadi Experiment
There's a difference between a mary sue charatcer and a messiah though! Moreover, people thinking the book is overrated is not the same missing the point of the book. If I had said it's a story about interstellar drug trade and reincarnation, you might rightly have said I had missed the point.
Well that's fair then
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Post by Doug » Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:42 pm

Here's a good video about one of my favorite films of all time. Spoilers.


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Post by rianalnn » Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:33 am

Huh. It's been ~10 years since I re-read the Herbert Dune novels, but I recall enjoying them as much as the first time I read them. Maybe I am just easily pleased.

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