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I watched Bonnie and Clyde this weekend, it's really good
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Baby Gene Wilder, already being extremely himself!
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jaja lol
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Wrath of Khan is a better movie than Empire Strikes Back
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I don't have an urge to immediately reject that, nor do I have an urge to immediately affirm it.
I will entertain an argument.
I will entertain an argument.
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Meanwhile in my continuing effort to peruse the cinema of the 30s and 40s, I see that Laura is on sale, so I think that's next
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If that's what you're trying to do, then get It Happened One Night and The Thin Man.
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Cool -- I watched Lost Horizon recently, and that's the same director has Happened One Night
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It was the first Big Five academy award winner, a feat that wouldn't be repeated for forty years until One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
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I also wanna hear your Why.Doug wrote:Wrath of Khan is a better movie than Empire Strikes Back
I would say that my kids responded more viscerally to Khan than Empire, but they were a little older when they saw Khan, & I set it up by making them watch Space Seed the day before.
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Bring on the kung-fu amputees - no arms vs. no legs anyone? A bit of high-speed underground ninja-tunneling is always good as well. I wanna see some shit like that. Crazy monks with gnarly special powers can make any film good. FACT.
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The Wrath of Khan has a beginning, a middle, and an end. The Empire Strikes Back has a beginning, a middle, and a really cool cliffhanger.
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& Khan's prequel is totally watchable.
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Bring on the kung-fu amputees - no arms vs. no legs anyone? A bit of high-speed underground ninja-tunneling is always good as well. I wanna see some shit like that. Crazy monks with gnarly special powers can make any film good. FACT.
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Yeah, this is kind of a big part of it. Empire Strikes Back is an episode while Wrath of Khan is a movie. ESB is deliberately unfinished, to be concluded next time
ESB has an entirely passive antagonist, and doesn't develop this antagonist whatsoever. Darth Vader is a dungeon boss, he just sits there and ensnares all the protagonists, but he doesn't change and very nearly doesn't take any action at all
Luke ultimately drives the action by deciding to disobey Yoda, which should be good, but this is nearly portrayed as bad
Also, and I've talked about this before, ESB and RoJ reverse the theme of the original film, which is that the Force flows through everyone, even an irrelevant farm boy. As of ESB, he's not an irrelevant farm boy at all, he's been a special boy all along, from a magic family. This is a complete betrayal of the original film
Now Wrath of Khan does not have such lofty themes, which is too bad, and is a simpler story of a duel between two ships. And yeah we can say that this is a strike against it. But is there a better popcorn film of a duel between two ships? There kinda isn't. And Khan is just such a great villain. He's proactive, and he outwits the protagonist, and then is outwitted by the protagonist in turn, and it's all just fun as anything. And there's a little bit of a theme, in that Kirk thinks he can't lose, and he thinks that if he acts like he can't lose, he won't. And he finds out the hard way that even if you can't lose, you have a lot to lose. This is pretty good, it's not cosmic or anything, but it's decent. But the movie is a lot of fun along the way.
Both movies have killer music, don't they
Anyway, that's the main thing, Darth Vader is almost not a character while Khan is quite a character. And ESB is like half a movie
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Ricardo Montalbán is freaking menacing in that role
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Bring on the kung-fu amputees - no arms vs. no legs anyone? A bit of high-speed underground ninja-tunneling is always good as well. I wanna see some shit like that. Crazy monks with gnarly special powers can make any film good. FACT.
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It's interesting to say that A New Hope suggested anyone could channel the force, when that was what a whoooole lot of people got mad at Last Jedi for.
I don't actually have my own opinion on that either way, though.
I don't actually have my own opinion on that either way, though.
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really the wrath of khan is incredible because it's not a movie about fucking two satellites
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That sounds more like the Lust of Khan.
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Khan is a better villain because he fucks.
I typed that as a joke, but he actually does have a ton of charisma and personality, while ESB Vader is mostly a spooky monolith.
I typed that as a joke, but he actually does have a ton of charisma and personality, while ESB Vader is mostly a spooky monolith.
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'Space Seed' indeed
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Bring on the kung-fu amputees - no arms vs. no legs anyone? A bit of high-speed underground ninja-tunneling is always good as well. I wanna see some shit like that. Crazy monks with gnarly special powers can make any film good. FACT.
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This is compelling!Doug wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 11:53 pmYeah, this is kind of a big part of it. Empire Strikes Back is an episode while Wrath of Khan is a movie. ESB is deliberately unfinished, to be concluded next time
ESB has an entirely passive antagonist, and doesn't develop this antagonist whatsoever. Darth Vader is a dungeon boss, he just sits there and ensnares all the protagonists, but he doesn't change and very nearly doesn't take any action at all
Luke ultimately drives the action by deciding to disobey Yoda, which should be good, but this is nearly portrayed as bad
Also, and I've talked about this before, ESB and RoJ reverse the theme of the original film, which is that the Force flows through everyone, even an irrelevant farm boy. As of ESB, he's not an irrelevant farm boy at all, he's been a special boy all along, from a magic family. This is a complete betrayal of the original film
Now Wrath of Khan does not have such lofty themes, which is too bad, and is a simpler story of a duel between two ships. And yeah we can say that this is a strike against it. But is there a better popcorn film of a duel between two ships? There kinda isn't. And Khan is just such a great villain. He's proactive, and he outwits the protagonist, and then is outwitted by the protagonist in turn, and it's all just fun as anything. And there's a little bit of a theme, in that Kirk thinks he can't lose, and he thinks that if he acts like he can't lose, he won't. And he finds out the hard way that even if you can't lose, you have a lot to lose. This is pretty good, it's not cosmic or anything, but it's decent. But the movie is a lot of fun along the way.
Both movies have killer music, don't they
Anyway, that's the main thing, Darth Vader is almost not a character while Khan is quite a character. And ESB is like half a movie
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Vader's cultural power is in iconography. The look, feel, and personification of Vader is terrifying and he tapped into fears of an evil empire (cold war and all). As a character however Vader is a petulant, whiny, bitch who lashes out in anger and lacks any kind of real self control. He is utterly dominated by his passions.
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Watched Call of the Wild with the boys, good stuff. Nice to see Han Solo & Chewbacca still finding work.
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Bring on the kung-fu amputees - no arms vs. no legs anyone? A bit of high-speed underground ninja-tunneling is always good as well. I wanna see some shit like that. Crazy monks with gnarly special powers can make any film good. FACT.
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that was directed by my man Chris Sanders!rianalnn wrote:Watched Call of the Wild with the boys, good stuff. Nice to see Han Solo & Chewbacca still finding work.
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It is a classy flick, too. I like the subtly anthropomorphic CGI beasts, not talking animals. Thumbs up.
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Bring on the kung-fu amputees - no arms vs. no legs anyone? A bit of high-speed underground ninja-tunneling is always good as well. I wanna see some shit like that. Crazy monks with gnarly special powers can make any film good. FACT.
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I watched Philadelphia Story last night, it's pretty good but I feel like the end was a bit of a deus ex machina
Then I watched a bunch of Bugs Bunny shorts
The top five Bugs Bunny shorts:
5. Long-Haired Hare
4. Bully for Bugs
3. Hillbilly Hare
2. Rabbit of Seville
1. What's Opera Doc
Then I watched a bunch of Bugs Bunny shorts
The top five Bugs Bunny shorts:
5. Long-Haired Hare
4. Bully for Bugs
3. Hillbilly Hare
2. Rabbit of Seville
1. What's Opera Doc
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The next tier is probably 20 more shorts including that one
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Confronting! How very far away the summer of 1989 now seems.
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Bring on the kung-fu amputees - no arms vs. no legs anyone? A bit of high-speed underground ninja-tunneling is always good as well. I wanna see some shit like that. Crazy monks with gnarly special powers can make any film good. FACT.
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