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Post by Dantes » Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:52 pm

Shiny Days wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:30 am
haplo wrote:I don't know where the TV thread is but S1 of The Boys was pretty good but I'm halfway through S2 and it is a let-down.
how come?

i was gonna watch it but like i guess s1 it wasn't like "done," so i don't knwo where when to jump in at. i'd kind of like to just watch it as a whole thing
Stormfront is probably a little too on the nose. But what else do you expect from a series based on Garth Ennis? Subtlety is not in it.
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Post by Doug » Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:32 pm

haplo wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:27 am I don't know where the TV thread is but S1 of The Boys was pretty good but I'm halfway through S2 and it is a let-down.
I know, right? It's good among TV shows but not as good as the first season

Kinda aimless, the characters just fighting the latest fire in each episode

Hughie seems to have forgotten that he had a murdered girlfriend, for example
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Post by Dantes » Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:34 pm

Doug wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:32 pm
haplo wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:27 am I don't know where the TV thread is but S1 of The Boys was pretty good but I'm halfway through S2 and it is a let-down.
I know, right? It's good among TV shows but not as good as the first season

Kinda aimless, the characters just fighting the latest fire in each episode

Hughie seems to have forgotten that he had a murdered girlfriend, for example
He also seems to have forgotten that he murdered Translucent.
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Dantes wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:34 pm
Doug wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:32 pm
haplo wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:27 am I don't know where the TV thread is but S1 of The Boys was pretty good but I'm halfway through S2 and it is a let-down.
I know, right? It's good among TV shows but not as good as the first season

Kinda aimless, the characters just fighting the latest fire in each episode

Hughie seems to have forgotten that he had a murdered girlfriend, for example
He also seems to have forgotten that he murdered Translucent.
lol right

Everyone else forgot that guy too
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Post by haplo » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:34 pm

The main problem I see with the show is that it's not possible for anything good to happen. House of Cards is the best example of this. First seasons of HoC - Frank overcomes his obstacles and he gains new problems as he tries to increase his power. Later seasons of HoC - Frank becomes a punching bag where everyone tries to remove his power and all he can do is fight off everyone else. It's not a coincidence that HoC turned bad right after Frank reached his highest goal. The show turned from watching the main character win to watching the main character lose.

In The Boys, no matter what the protagonists do, they cannot win. We'll watch 3 episodes of a grand scheme that they give their all and risk their lives multiple times to complete. And the payoff? The bad guys fix the problem in under 5 minutes. It barely even bothers them. Nothing good happens. This just repeats over and over. No matter what they do and how long it takes them, they get their shit thrown back in their face 5 minutes later and have to go through a whole new load of shit, and we already know what's going to happen when they finish that one too.

The only real problems for the bad guys are other bad guys. And this was interesting in S1 because you had character development and got to know each one of them. There is no character development in S2. We just have Stormfront, who is the worst character in the show.

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Post by ToadBrews » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:37 pm

They spend seven episodes building up Stormfront to be the worst character in the show so that when something awful happens in the finale, the audience cheers

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Post by Rylinks » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:42 pm

ah yes, the shield hero strategy

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Post by Dantes » Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:11 pm

ToadBrews wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:37 pm They spend seven episodes building up Stormfront to be the worst character in the show so that when something awful happens in the finale, the audience cheers
Which could work, but it was so heavy handed. The only positive thing I can say about Stormfront is that she actually made Homelander seem a little more sympathetic. Though honestly in season one he was to supes as a sociapth is to normals. This season he was just kind of sad. The devolution was a little weird.
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Post by Dantes » Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:12 pm

I did like the Church subplot though, that was kind of fun. And The Deep just continues to be absolutely hilariously pathetic.

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Post by ToadBrews » Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:25 pm

I like how the Deep is pathetic because Aquaman SHOULD be pathetic but DC thinks he's a real hero, it's a really good genre joke

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Post by haplo » Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:15 am

Dantes wrote:
Stormfront is probably a little too on the nose. But what else do you expect from a series based on Garth Ennis? Subtlety is not in it.
ok wow, just finished it and you weren't joking. I almost gagged they shoved it so far down my throat

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Post by Crunchums » Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:17 pm

if i wanted to rewatch the original star wars trilogy, how should i go about it such that i get a version where there aren't a ton of bullshit edits like han shooting first?
looks like the DVDs are super expensive on amazon. probably it's on disney+ but google suggests those versions have bullshit edits
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Post by Khaos » Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:18 pm

how bad are the bullshit edits? that han thing is hardly noticeable

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Post by Monty » Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:54 pm

Crunchums wrote:if i wanted to rewatch the original star wars trilogy, how should i go about it such that i get a version where there aren't a ton of bullshit edits like han shooting first?
looks like the DVDs are super expensive on amazon. probably it's on disney+ but google suggests those versions have bullshit edits
Search around for "Harmy's Despecialized Edition".
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Post by Monty » Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:57 pm

Khaos wrote:how bad are the bullshit edits? that han thing is hardly noticeable
A lot of very obvious CGI animals added to Mos Eisley, and someone steps in obvious CGI poop. Space scenes tend to have a bunch of junk added to them. The Death Star explosion is better in the special editions. They do not fix the times the light sabers flicker in and out during the fight between Darth Vader and Obi Wan. Baffling choice in Jedi to replace Sebastian Stan as Ghost Anakin with Hayden Christiansen. Yub-Nub extended remix includes a shot of Gungans celebrating on Naboo, which doesn't bother me that much but really grates on some people.
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Post by Khaos » Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:59 pm

haha poop. who doesn't love that

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Post by Monty » Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:00 pm

Oh, and that godawful scene between Han and Jabba in A New Hope where they replaced the dude who played Jabba in the deleted scene with an animation of the slug monster he would become. When Han walks behind Jabba, they awkwardly lift Han in the frame so it looks like he walked on a big tail and it does not work at all.
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Post by haplo » Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:17 pm

wow that CG quality is what you'd see in a TV show these days

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Post by Doug » Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:48 pm

It's like poetry
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Post by Doug » Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:49 pm

It's a terrible scene with shitty dialogue
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Monty wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:54 pm
Crunchums wrote:if i wanted to rewatch the original star wars trilogy, how should i go about it such that i get a version where there aren't a ton of bullshit edits like han shooting first?
looks like the DVDs are super expensive on amazon. probably it's on disney+ but google suggests those versions have bullshit edits
Search around for "Harmy's Despecialized Edition".
hmmm, that looks like a "download shady software to download this thing of questionable legality" thing
let me ask a different question - is it possible to legally pay a not-stupid amount of money for a version that doesn't have a bunch of stupid edits? if not, what is the option with the least amount of stupid edits?

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Post by Doug » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:38 pm

I'm lucky to have one that isn't jacked up with digital crap
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Crunchums wrote:
Monty wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:54 pm
Crunchums wrote:if i wanted to rewatch the original star wars trilogy, how should i go about it such that i get a version where there aren't a ton of bullshit edits like han shooting first?
looks like the DVDs are super expensive on amazon. probably it's on disney+ but google suggests those versions have bullshit edits
Search around for "Harmy's Despecialized Edition".
hmmm, that looks like a "download shady software to download this thing of questionable legality" thing
let me ask a different question - is it possible to legally pay a not-stupid amount of money for a version that doesn't have a bunch of stupid edits? if not, what is the option with the least amount of stupid edits?

(ps - thank you)
I don't know how the Harmy's version is currently being distributed, but when I downloaded it through methods, it was just an enormous file. It may depend on how comfortable you are with methods.

Short of that, I think your best option is the 2006 "Limited Edition" DVDs, which had the theatrical version* as an extra on the bonus disc. Amazon has them for about $50 each, so it's up to you to decide whether that amount is stupid. Disney+ has the most current special edition, in which Han and Greedo shoot at the same time, and Greedo yells "Maclunkey" for no apparent reason.

(* Not exactly the theatrical edition, according to people who check every single sound effect, but it's close enough. I think it's from the Laserdisc release, and I remember some grousing about the video quality among the sort of people who grouse about video quality. I'm honestly not hung up on all this; i just happen to know a lot about it.)
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Post by Monty » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:46 pm

Also, I believe that within the next two years and probably sooner, Disney is just going to make the theatrical versions available again. Because why wouldn't they?
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Post by Crunchums » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:48 pm

thanks. i am generally not comfortable with methods, but i may suck it up this time given the lack of acceptable alternatives

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Monty wrote:Because why wouldn't they?
because it's not in line with their current strategy of doing everything possible to ruin the franchise
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Post by Monty » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:53 pm

Crunchums wrote:
Monty wrote:Because why wouldn't they?
because it's not in line with their current strategy of doing everything possible to ruin the franchise
The new season of Clone Wars gave it a four-episode finale that's my favorite thing ever done in Star Wars. The Mandalorian is great. They're doing a LEGO Star Wars Holiday Special. I understand the new theme park land is a lot of fun to walk around in, and the rides are pretty fun.

It's not all about the main movies, you know. And with TV and movie production affected by 2020, it would take an iron will not to roll out a product that's already been made and would generate free money.
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Post by Doug » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:54 pm

There's a Star Wars ride at Hollywood Studios that you have to enter a lottery to ride on; you only get to ride the ride if you win that day's lottery
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Post by Crunchums » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:57 pm

Monty wrote: It's not all about the main movies, you know.
they're so bad, though
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Post by Khaos » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:59 pm

i wonder if there's someone out there with "Maclunkey!" written on their tombstone

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