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Post by Doug » Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:31 pm

I guess the Batgirl movie in which Michael Keaton would have appeared as Batman is being stuck onto a shelf
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Post by Doug » Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:42 pm

Have you ever seen The Miracle Worker?

I had never seen it until this week. I had seen random clips from it over the years. I watched it this week. You need to see this movie. It's surely one of the greatest movies of all time
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Post by Dantes » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:27 pm

Which version?

The one where Patty Duke plays Helen Keller, or the one where Patty Duke plays Anne Sullivan?
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Post by Doug » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:30 pm

Dantes wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:27 pm Which version?

The one where Patty Duke plays Helen Keller, or the one where Patty Duke plays Anne Sullivan?
The former, I never saw the second one

I guess there's a third one too, that Disney did
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Post by Dantes » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:38 pm

Doug wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:30 pm
Dantes wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:27 pm Which version?

The one where Patty Duke plays Helen Keller, or the one where Patty Duke plays Anne Sullivan?
The former, I never saw the second one

I guess there's a third one too, that Disney did
I just find it amusing that I could do a double Duke line.
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Post by Doug » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:54 pm

Dantes wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:38 pm
Doug wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:30 pm
Dantes wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:27 pm Which version?

The one where Patty Duke plays Helen Keller, or the one where Patty Duke plays Anne Sullivan?
The former, I never saw the second one

I guess there's a third one too, that Disney did
I just find it amusing that I could do a double Duke line.
What a crazy pair!
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Re: The Motion Picture Arts Thread

Post by Dantes » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:56 pm

Doug wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:54 pm
Dantes wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:38 pm
Doug wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:30 pm
Dantes wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:27 pm Which version?

The one where Patty Duke plays Helen Keller, or the one where Patty Duke plays Anne Sullivan?
The former, I never saw the second one

I guess there's a third one too, that Disney did
I just find it amusing that I could do a double Duke line.
What a crazy pair!
I am gratified that someone got that.
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Post by Doug » Sun Aug 07, 2022 12:14 am

I watched Prey, it was fun and neat and I would like to see more like it
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Re: The Motion Picture Arts Thread

Post by mindwarped » Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:09 pm

I finally saw the Northman. It was beautiful and well-made, but something about it didn't quite work for me. I think it was the performances? Maybe part of it was expectation—I didn't realize it was going to be a hamlet adaptation.

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Post by Luna » Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:37 pm

mindwarped wrote:I finally saw the Northman. It was beautiful and well-made, but something about it didn't quite work for me. I think it was the performances? Maybe part of it was expectation—I didn't realize it was going to be a hamlet adaptation.
one of the things that i found to be the most interesting about the northman, especially since i saw dr strange after is that totally outside of whether or not it was any good, i was totally fucking engrossed in the movie.

and it was a weird experience, at least at the start, and saying nothing of the movie itself, which is actually a really weird fucking experience, because while i was watching it with a friend i was conscious of like what a weird fucking movie we were watching and whether or not my friend, who recommended the movie so it was on them anyways, was going to be able to enjoy it at all, but then just oh there's the credits. what the fuck

meanwhile dr strange, which wasnt bad, was more like, hey im watching a movie. what's going on in the theater? those are some bright lights over there. thinking about some other stuff at some points. thinking about how i guess the movie is still going

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Post by Luna » Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:37 pm

also it's the most masculine thing ive ever seen in my life

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Post by Doug » Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:09 am

It's Hamlet, but instead of being told to avenge his father by a ghost, we're watching to see if Hamlet will embrace the final credo of the Northman religion that his death is more important than his life

Which as a credo is alien to us -- we live that our lives are more important than our deaths

So you're actually watching the story of a religion that doesn't comport to the Western values that we assume
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Post by Doug » Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:48 am

Which now that I think about it makes it a better Valhalla Rising
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Post by Rylinks » Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:25 am

Doug wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:09 am It's Hamlet, but instead of being told to avenge his father by a ghost, we're watching to see if Hamlet will embrace the final credo of the Northman religion that his death is more important than his life

Which as a credo is alien to us -- we live that our lives are more important than our deaths

So you're actually watching the story of a religion that doesn't comport to the Western values that we assume
if this is true it's quite recent, western christianity has plenty of martyrs

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Post by Doug » Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:04 am

Rylinks wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:25 am
Doug wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:09 am It's Hamlet, but instead of being told to avenge his father by a ghost, we're watching to see if Hamlet will embrace the final credo of the Northman religion that his death is more important than his life

Which as a credo is alien to us -- we live that our lives are more important than our deaths

So you're actually watching the story of a religion that doesn't comport to the Western values that we assume
if this is true it's quite recent, western christianity has plenty of martyrs
Martyrs are murdered

Their deaths were "appreciated," not "good"
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Post by Dantes » Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:58 am

mindwarped wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:09 pm I finally saw the Northman. It was beautiful and well-made, but something about it didn't quite work for me. I think it was the performances? Maybe part of it was expectation—I didn't realize it was going to be a hamlet adaptation.
I’ve got to say, and I should say that it didn’t cross my mind until you said it, but I have no idea what the Norseman might be if it weren’t a Hamlet adaptation.
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Post by Doug » Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:32 pm

Dantes wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:58 am
mindwarped wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:09 pm I finally saw the Northman. It was beautiful and well-made, but something about it didn't quite work for me. I think it was the performances? Maybe part of it was expectation—I didn't realize it was going to be a hamlet adaptation.
I’ve got to say, and I should say that it didn’t cross my mind until you said it, but I have no idea what the Norseman might be if it weren’t a Hamlet adaptation.
I think mindwarped is saying that he had no spoilers
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Post by Rylinks » Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:55 pm

Doug wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:04 am
Rylinks wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:25 am
Doug wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:09 am It's Hamlet, but instead of being told to avenge his father by a ghost, we're watching to see if Hamlet will embrace the final credo of the Northman religion that his death is more important than his life

Which as a credo is alien to us -- we live that our lives are more important than our deaths

So you're actually watching the story of a religion that doesn't comport to the Western values that we assume
if this is true it's quite recent, western christianity has plenty of martyrs
Martyrs are murdered

Their deaths were "appreciated," not "good"
how is murder different from the deaths in the northman?

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Post by Dantes » Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:02 pm

Doug wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:32 pm
Dantes wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:58 am
mindwarped wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:09 pm I finally saw the Northman. It was beautiful and well-made, but something about it didn't quite work for me. I think it was the performances? Maybe part of it was expectation—I didn't realize it was going to be a hamlet adaptation.
I’ve got to say, and I should say that it didn’t cross my mind until you said it, but I have no idea what the Norseman might be if it weren’t a Hamlet adaptation.
I think mindwarped is saying that he had no spoilers
Yes.

What I am saying is that I have not seen any spoilers either and that if something called "The Norseman" weren't a Hamlet adaption, I'd have no idea what to expect.
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Post by Doug » Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:24 pm

Rylinks wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:55 pm
Doug wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:04 am
Rylinks wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:25 am
Doug wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:09 am It's Hamlet, but instead of being told to avenge his father by a ghost, we're watching to see if Hamlet will embrace the final credo of the Northman religion that his death is more important than his life

Which as a credo is alien to us -- we live that our lives are more important than our deaths

So you're actually watching the story of a religion that doesn't comport to the Western values that we assume
if this is true it's quite recent, western christianity has plenty of martyrs
Martyrs are murdered

Their deaths were "appreciated," not "good"
how is murder different from the deaths in the northman?
Spoiler!
The big question in the Northman is whether he's going to throw away his life with Anya Taylor-Joy to go die fighting his uncle. In the end, he embraces dying in battle fighting his uncle as a virtue in and of itself. It becomes its own end, with his religion telling him that this glorious death matters more than some life with Anya Taylor-Joy

Christian martyrdom is about maintaining your beliefs in the face of life-threatening persecution. The point isn't to die, it's "not to surrender." The death of a martyr isn't a virtue in and of itself, and suicide isn't a virtue in Christianity. The death of the martyr is an evil thing that someone else did, and the virtue of martyrdom is in not surrendering despite it. The martyr's "not surrendering" is more important than his life, but this isn't the same thing as saying that his death is a virtue in and of itself. The martyr's life being valuable is why it's a sacrifice.

Amleth doesn't sacrifice his life, he seeks his own death in battle. His life isn't valuable
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Post by Doug » Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:28 pm

Dantes wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:02 pm
Doug wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:32 pm
Dantes wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:58 am
mindwarped wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:09 pm I finally saw the Northman. It was beautiful and well-made, but something about it didn't quite work for me. I think it was the performances? Maybe part of it was expectation—I didn't realize it was going to be a hamlet adaptation.
I’ve got to say, and I should say that it didn’t cross my mind until you said it, but I have no idea what the Norseman might be if it weren’t a Hamlet adaptation.
I think mindwarped is saying that he had no spoilers
Yes.

What I am saying is that I have not seen any spoilers either and that if something called "The Norseman" weren't a Hamlet adaption, I'd have no idea what to expect.
Northman

If it were "The Norseman" then you'd be even more entitled not to know it's going to be Hamlet

If you knew nothing more than the name "The Northman," you might think all kinds of things, like, maybe it's going to be Beowulf, or a biopic about Erik the Red
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Post by Dantes » Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:34 pm

Doug wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:28 pm If you knew nothing more than the name "The Northman," you might think all kinds of things, like, maybe it's going to be Beowulf, or a biopic about Erik the Red
You might think that.

I just responded to Mindwarped with what I thought about what the Northman might be. That seems to be a difficult concept for you to grasp.
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Post by Doug » Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:49 pm

Dantes wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:34 pm
Doug wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:28 pm If you knew nothing more than the name "The Northman," you might think all kinds of things, like, maybe it's going to be Beowulf, or a biopic about Erik the Red
You might think that.
Well so might mindwarped, is the shot
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Post by Dantes » Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:22 pm

Doug wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:49 pm
Dantes wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:34 pm
Doug wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:28 pm If you knew nothing more than the name "The Northman," you might think all kinds of things, like, maybe it's going to be Beowulf, or a biopic about Erik the Red
You might think that.
Well so might mindwarped, is the shot
You're arguing about the worthiness of my take on behalf of someone else.
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Post by Doug » Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:35 pm

Dantes wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:22 pm
Doug wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:49 pm
Dantes wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:34 pm
Doug wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:28 pm If you knew nothing more than the name "The Northman," you might think all kinds of things, like, maybe it's going to be Beowulf, or a biopic about Erik the Red
You might think that.
Well so might mindwarped, is the shot
You're arguing about the worthiness of my take on behalf of someone else.
OK so when mindwarped says, I didn't know it was going to be Hamlet, and then you say, I didn't know what else it could be, there's this thing called "conversational implicature (Cosecant 2011)," have you ever heard of it
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Post by Doug » Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:43 pm

2011, wow, that's a long time ago
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Post by Crunchums » Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:46 pm

conversational implicature (Cosecant 2011) (shufflepants)
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citing non-academic sources such as webcomics is discouraged

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Rylinks wrote:added a new wordfilter
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