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Pour like Hemingway's last call.
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Why does Ivermectin do anything against Covid, when the media told me it kills worms
Because it impacts the proteins that Covid uses
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7536980/
Because it impacts the proteins that Covid uses
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7536980/
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i thought the antiviral properties were why people were interested in it in the first place
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any news that says existing protection is effective is good news imo
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Khaos wrote:any news that says existing protection is effective is good news imo
(of course good that those infections will be less severe, but still a bummer)Omicron re-infects those who have already been sick, or breaks through to those who have been vaccinated, much more than Delta.
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yeah that's what i mean
a few weeks ago i did a quick calculation to determine how effective the vaccine is here, currently. i just took the number of covid patients in alberta hospitals that were vaccinated vs the number that were unvaccinated. based on that information (combined with the rate of vaccination) it looked like the vaccine was some 86% effective at preventing hospitalization.
this groks as correct to me, since everyone here has delta, so it's makes sense it's a little less effective than what the trials say they should be working at
so im curious, will omicron drop that rate another 15%? or less? or more? i guess i will have that answer in a few months
a few weeks ago i did a quick calculation to determine how effective the vaccine is here, currently. i just took the number of covid patients in alberta hospitals that were vaccinated vs the number that were unvaccinated. based on that information (combined with the rate of vaccination) it looked like the vaccine was some 86% effective at preventing hospitalization.
this groks as correct to me, since everyone here has delta, so it's makes sense it's a little less effective than what the trials say they should be working at
so im curious, will omicron drop that rate another 15%? or less? or more? i guess i will have that answer in a few months
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this doesn’t work because you’re implicitly assuming that vaccinated and unvaccinated people had the same risk before the vaccine was administered. but that’s not true, old people are more likely to be vaccinated and are much more vulnerable, so this calculation is going to underestimate effectiveness, potentially by a lot (you’re also biasing a bit in the opposite direction because e.g. unvaccinated people are also more likely to engage in risky activities but I’m pretty sure the first thing is what dominates)Khaos wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 4:26 pm yeah that's what i mean
a few weeks ago i did a quick calculation to determine how effective the vaccine is here, currently. i just took the number of covid patients in alberta hospitals that were vaccinated vs the number that were unvaccinated. based on that information (combined with the rate of vaccination) it looked like the vaccine was some 86% effective at preventing hospitalization.
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sure. so it's like a worst case scenario, and also still a pretty good numberJeb Bush 2012 wrote:this doesn’t work because you’re implicitly assuming that vaccinated and unvaccinated people had the same risk before the vaccine was administered. but that’s not true, old people are more likely to be vaccinated and are much more vulnerable, so this calculation is going to underestimate effectiveness, potentially by a lot (you’re also biasing a bit in the opposite direction because e.g. unvaccinated people are also more likely to engage in risky activities but I’m pretty sure the first thing is what dominates)Khaos wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 4:26 pm yeah that's what i mean
a few weeks ago i did a quick calculation to determine how effective the vaccine is here, currently. i just took the number of covid patients in alberta hospitals that were vaccinated vs the number that were unvaccinated. based on that information (combined with the rate of vaccination) it looked like the vaccine was some 86% effective at preventing hospitalization.
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Israeli health minister says it might take seven shots (two doses + five boosters) to be fully vaccinated
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lol
edit: aw, is this more fake news
edit: aw, is this more fake news
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No, it isn't
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did you read it on twitter doug
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No, the Times of Israel. I told you before, you're the one who gets his news from Twitter
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I can't help but notice that you always run to the defense of the Idiot State
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btw I just came up with "Idiot State," because I heard you should never attribute malice when stupidity something something
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i mean i found the same article and he definitely did not say that in it. i guess you added your own fake news spin?
he seems to imply the opposite, that it's impossible to be perpetually fully vaccinated
he seems to imply the opposite, that it's impossible to be perpetually fully vaccinated
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was thinking about this again. are you sure? if you would expect the people in the hospital to be more likely to get sick (higher age) and thus have a higher vaccination rate compared to the average rate (used in my calculations) wouldn't the 86% effectiveness be the upper bound, not the lower bound?Jeb Bush 2012 wrote:this doesn’t work because you’re implicitly assuming that vaccinated and unvaccinated people had the same risk before the vaccine was administered. but that’s not true, old people are more likely to be vaccinated and are much more vulnerable, so this calculation is going to underestimate effectiveness, potentially by a lot (you’re also biasing a bit in the opposite direction because e.g. unvaccinated people are also more likely to engage in risky activities but I’m pretty sure the first thing is what dominates)Khaos wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 4:26 pm yeah that's what i mean
a few weeks ago i did a quick calculation to determine how effective the vaccine is here, currently. i just took the number of covid patients in alberta hospitals that were vaccinated vs the number that were unvaccinated. based on that information (combined with the rate of vaccination) it looked like the vaccine was some 86% effective at preventing hospitalization.
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did you make sure that these numbers were people hospitalized because of covid and not people hospitalized for other reasons who happen to have covid
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If you think about it, that's not really the opposite. "It's impossible to be fully vaccinated" is already implied when government bureaucrats say that the vaccine wears off and the boosters wear off
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they're "covid-19 patients." i just took it from here:Rylinks wrote:did you make sure that these numbers were people hospitalized because of covid and not people hospitalized for other reasons who happen to have covid
https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-a ... istics.htm
icu admissions are way way down from a little while ago. that's nice!
i think they do a good job of not including people who die of other things on here. there was a big hoopla about a kid who died of some other health condition while infected and was misreported
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for any given population vacc rate your estimate of effectiveness is gonna be decline if the number of hospitalized people who are vaccinated increases and the number who are unvaccinated decreases. the fact that the elderly are more likely to be vaccinated causes this to happen (relative to random assignment of vaccines). you will therefore underestimate effectivenessKhaos wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 5:05 pm was thinking about this again. are you sure? if you would expect the people in the hospital to be more likely to get sick (higher age) and thus have a higher vaccination rate compared to the average rate (used in my calculations) wouldn't the 86% effectiveness be the upper bound, not the lower bound?
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Florida Unveils Tools for Reporting Employers Who Violate Restrictions on Vaccine Mandates
Attorney General's office says complaints about out-of-compliance employers are already rolling in
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So at this point, not only do we have people in the elitist camp acting like the vaccine will stop you from giving Covid to other people, but also we have people in the anti-elitist camp breathlessly schadenfreuding every time a vaccinated famous person gets Covid, as though this proves the vaccine does nothing
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I have to admit sometimes I read the news with a scoreboard mentality. Like, aw damn, Psaki got the virus, that's 2 points for Red. I wonder how our boys are gonna come back from this one.
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That's the red people's fault for forgetting that the virus is the real villain
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the schadenfreuding definitely goes both waysDoug wrote:So at this point, not only do we have people in the elitist camp acting like the vaccine will stop you from giving Covid to other people, but also we have people in the anti-elitist camp breathlessly schadenfreuding every time a vaccinated famous person gets Covid, as though this proves the vaccine does nothing
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It's revolting.
People on either side of the vaccination debate almost appear to be cheering when their countrymen get sick.
People on either side of the vaccination debate almost appear to be cheering when their countrymen get sick.
Pour like Hemingway's last call.
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easier than getting mad at the country that caused it right
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and you get to be performative too! this is actually turning out kind of great