This is true in a place with good ventilation, like outside, where viral particles are quickly destroyed, but when the ventilation is poor, diffusion happens much faster than the particle lifetime and air currents can carry it far away.Khaos wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 6:00 pm my understanding is that transmission is exclusively or near-exclusivly from aerosols
particles hanging in the area is bad, but i presume that density of virus particles in the air is also bad. and the bigger the airspace/less dense the group of people is, the less dense the air will be with virus particles.
i imagine it diffuses outwards like a sphere. being close to the center exposes you to exponentially more virus particles. as does the particles building up over time due to poor ventilation
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if proximity to the source were super important, then buses wouldn't be an unusual transmission risk, because proximity to the source only matters when there's good ventilation
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wouldnt diffusion happen slower with no/less ventilation
diffusion meaning, the viral load being evenly distributed throughout the air space
diffusion meaning, the viral load being evenly distributed throughout the air space
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yes, but both of them they happen fast.
You mentioned opening the windows of buses earlier--opening the windows wouldn't do anything unless most of the virus particles people are exposed to have been in the air long enough to be affected by the open window. If they were particles the person next to them just breathed out, the window wouldn't matter.
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this just seems wrongRylinks wrote:if proximity to the source were super important, then buses wouldn't be an unusual transmission risk, because proximity to the source only matters when there's good ventilation
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1) means that requiring people to wear masks on public transport is a very substantial imposition! like I get that you don't find it to be costly but that doesn't matter, it's clear that a majority of people do find mask wearing uncomfortable, especially when you exclude the people who diligently wear comfortable-but-ineffective masks everywhere (cloth, loosely fitting, etc.)
so you'd need a very substantial benefit to justify this and, like, omicron is contagious enough that you're basically talking about slightly reducing the fraction of ths population who get it, in exchange for permanently maintaining this policy. so I'm strongly opposed to this (and NPIs in general) at this point, unless we return to a situation where slowing infections is highly valuable (because of case counts threatening to get too high relative to hospital capacity)
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you know what else is uncomfortable. pants
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i would support this. we're not going to get broad support for public transport until we can keep the poors out
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are we actually trying to slow infections anymore?
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is there reason to?
wow, [you]. that all sounds terrible. i hope it gets better for you
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khaos
reading threads on other forums made me curious about something and im asking here. whats your basis for thinking omnicron is just as severe as delta et al? is it just the study referenced in this article: https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 022-05-05/? something else?
not looking to debate, just for information and understanding.
reading threads on other forums made me curious about something and im asking here. whats your basis for thinking omnicron is just as severe as delta et al? is it just the study referenced in this article: https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 022-05-05/? something else?
not looking to debate, just for information and understanding.
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literally that
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also i didn't say it was as severe as delta. or if i did, i didn't mean to
i meant to say its as severe as the original strain
i meant to say its as severe as the original strain
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you did. my mistake. i was conflating verbiage from the article ("previous variants;" "different variants;" "other variants"). i dont remember the names of variants other than delta and omnicron
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unicron, galvatron, stan bush
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im guessing they were alpha, beta, and epsilonseathesee wrote:you did. my mistake. i was conflating verbiage from the article ("previous variants;" "different variants;" "other variants"). i dont remember the names of variants other than delta and omnicron
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at the time the news article was posted and we discussed it before the public information about the study was an extended abstract that didn't go into detail enough detail to make it clear whether they'd avoided the huge potential pitfalls with their stated methodology (and they discussed it in a way that did not instill confidence). has anything changed in that regard?
it would be very surprising if the claim was actually true, given that this would imply much-worse-than-wildtype death spikes should be occurring anywhere that doesn't have the vast majority of the population vaccinated or previously infected
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is there any such place?Jeb Bush 2012 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:00 am anywhere that doesn't have the vast majority of the population vaccinated or previously infected
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(i have no idea of the vaccine timelines, it may be that many places fit the bill)
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I think so? afaik it is unlikely that most of the world had already had covid pre omicron. and like, e.g. 50% vaccination rates and 5% of the population being previously infected should translate to a much larger than wild type death count given how big omicron case counts were (age distribution matters ofc but that cuts the other way for china and hk, for instance)
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i dont remember hearing any of those. i think arti is right.
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Publix, a grocery store chain we have here that has been giving free Covid vaccines (it's where I got mine), has announced they will not be giving any Covid vaccines to children under 5
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wow, [you]. that all sounds terrible. i hope it gets better for you