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and i feel like you could say hey didn't you just contradict yourself, like if i have a button that changes our world in some way how is that different from your eyelash button example
and my answer would be that generally the answer will be "don't fuck with people" (because contractualism) and the eyelash example is an example of sufficiently generous utility values that it overrides that (but if you set it up so hey actually there's one guy whose utility will get fucked by this change somehow then it changes whether i press the button)
hey but isn't this all contingent upon your own conception of [what contract people would sign under the veil of ignorance]? yes! again, imo it's both a bug and a feature of contractualism
and my answer would be that generally the answer will be "don't fuck with people" (because contractualism) and the eyelash example is an example of sufficiently generous utility values that it overrides that (but if you set it up so hey actually there's one guy whose utility will get fucked by this change somehow then it changes whether i press the button)
hey but isn't this all contingent upon your own conception of [what contract people would sign under the veil of ignorance]? yes! again, imo it's both a bug and a feature of contractualism
u gotta skate
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and obviously if you had a button that could make the world much better it would be morally obligatory to press it. if you've adopted a moral framework that tells you not to you gotta throw that moral framework in the bin
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get that useless bum ass moral framework run over by a trolley, posthaste
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but wait! if you flip the switch the trolley will run over the moral framework that tells people it is okay to have their phones off silent in public places
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i do not think moral frameworks need to return any particular result in impossible hypotheticalsJeb Bush 2012 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 4:30 pm and obviously if you had a button that could make the world much better it would be morally obligatory to press it. if you've adopted a moral framework that tells you not to you gotta throw that moral framework in the bin
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i push a button that makes the world a better place all the time
it's labelled "Submit"
it's labelled "Submit"
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is it morally obligatory to push a button that instantiates omelas
e: to be clear this is rhetorical and i could not imagine caring less about a moral theory's answer to this question
e: to be clear this is rhetorical and i could not imagine caring less about a moral theory's answer to this question
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it's actually morally obligatory to push a button that destroys omelas, for being hacky
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yes but this is only really helpful if you conceptualize a spatial function as existing in an infinite-dimension vector space of the position basis setJeb Bush 2012 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 4:24 pmnah, it's an alternate term for eigenvector that's used sometimes in quantum contexts (just saying eigenvector is also common)
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Re: slatestarcodex
okay maybe I see what you mean but I think if you're calling something an eigenstate you're implicitly thinking of it as an element of a vector space (infinite dimensional or otherwise). it's all vector spaces!
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have I gone on an insane rant about omelas yet or was that on another forum
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fuck omelas
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on the pro-leguin side though I did read all the earthsea books recently and I think they're great. the version I read had endnotes from her after each one and it's neat seeing how her thinking about them changed over the decades she was writing
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you have, according to search
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alright, I will have to gather my strength
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yes all im saying is that understanding the position representation of the hamiltonian is important and describing it as a linear operator of an infinite-dimensional vector space is unlikely to be helpful to most peopleJeb Bush 2012 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 4:57 pm okay maybe I see what you mean but I think if you're calling something an eigenstate you're implicitly thinking of it as an element of a vector space (infinite dimensional or otherwise). it's all vector spaces!
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that's why I only think of it as a linear operator on ℂ^2^n
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"by a series of button-pushing hypotheticals i have demonstrated that it's morally obligatory to torture your own child for the greater good if you have the opportunity" fuck off
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in the spirit of forums anarchy, let us now also institute moral anarchy
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my word, who is that well-spoken and extremely correct gentleman