then zootopia is perfect for you
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because arti is bad at kamidori alchemy meister
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I mean, I watched Killing Bites, so I really have no high ground at all here
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(Killing Bites is about a honey badger lady who fights in her panties, AT BEST)
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that honey badger meme really got out of hand quickly
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Can confirm Beastars is very good (at least, the first two episodes are), and also not what I expected. It's bewilderingly down-to-earth and naturalistic for a show about animal people.
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Oh also it's gorgeous. The cinematography, especially, is fantastic.
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Um
Is this a cartoon
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Here's the first scene (or technically the second, I suppose). If you don't think that looks great then I guess you just don't have what it takes to become a Beastar.
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No it's just, "cinematography" refers to the use of camera, exposure, lighting, etc.
Cartoons don't like, make decisions about aperture settings or camera placement
If you're talking about the beauty of an image, that's composition
Probably way too pedantic here, sorry
Cartoons don't like, make decisions about aperture settings or camera placement
If you're talking about the beauty of an image, that's composition
Probably way too pedantic here, sorry
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Cinematography includes camera placement, scene lighting, and shot composition, none of which requires a physical camera.
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yeah, you do actually have to place a camera in a cgi thing
edit - this is wherein the difference between pixar and any other cgi movie company lays, lies
edit - this is wherein the difference between pixar and any other cgi movie company lays, lies
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Sure but those changes aren't made with the camera, they're made with the ink
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Like, I don't want to go on about this too much and ruin everyone's fun, but I want you to realize that in a Pixar film, there isn't actually a camera, there's a viewpointStill Alive wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:18 pm yeah, you do actually have to place a camera in a cgi thing
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i've never heard the camera in video games referred to as anything but the camera
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Correct, and the art of correctly positioning/moving the viewpoint so the shot comes out the way you want it is a part of what we call cinematography.Doug wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:21 pmLike, I don't want to go on about this too much and ruin everyone's fun, but I want you to realize that in a Pixar film, there isn't actually a camera, there's a viewpointStill Alive wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:18 pm yeah, you do actually have to place a camera in a cgi thing
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OK last analogy and then I'll stop bothering you
Suppose we're filming Elizabeth
Now after the dailies, we're like, no, no, the costumes look like shit. They're actually reflective. This is no good. We have to reshoot the entire scene with different costumes.
So we get the actors all different costumes, and we reshoot the scene, and now it looks beautiful
That's not "cinematography"
Suppose we're filming Elizabeth
Now after the dailies, we're like, no, no, the costumes look like shit. They're actually reflective. This is no good. We have to reshoot the entire scene with different costumes.
So we get the actors all different costumes, and we reshoot the scene, and now it looks beautiful
That's not "cinematography"
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That's Lakitu's fault
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No, it's not, that's more like costume design. But if you instead go "fuck it, we can use a combination of filters and indirect soft lighting to make the reflective costumes look good", then that's cinematography again.Doug wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:25 pm OK last analogy and then I'll stop bothering you
Suppose we're filming Elizabeth
Now after the dailies, we're like, no, no, the costumes look like shit. They're actually reflective. This is no good. We have to reshoot the entire scene with different costumes.
So we get the actors all different costumes, and we reshoot the scene, and now it looks beautiful
That's not "cinematography"
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i can def see the argument for something hand drawn despite, you know, storyboards existing, like, nobody just draws a scene and goes here we go that was hard to draw we're not ever doing anything else with this scene but maybe drawing different lighting on top of it or the scale / size of the charactersDoug wrote:
Like, I don't want to go on about this too much and ruin everyone's fun, but I want you to realize that in a Pixar film, there isn't actually a camera, there's a viewpoint
but cgi, like, ok, it's a theoretical camera, and so you could say well they're not changing lenses, exactly, but, like, you can't just appear cgi lighting, for one thing. it's you know, fine, though, pedantic. does the camera have to really exist, yes, no.
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cybercinematography
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a stop motion animated movie has cinematography because the camera actually exists in reality, but then so could an animated movie because they're using real cameras to capture frames of the image. cgi movies don't use any cameras, so, i guess, technically, that's actually the least cinematographic
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Like, I'm sure you know this shot, everyone does. It's a brilliant shot, it does a lot! But the interesting part of it is not "wow, Kubrick put a camera on a cart, my mind is blown". That practical solution is technically also part of cinematography, but that's not what's interesting about the shot!
What's interesting about the shot would be equally interesting in a cartoon, which is why it is valid to talk about cinematography in cartoons.
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that's actually not that great an example because that's technically demanding and in a cartoon you can just do whatever you want whenever and so one could demand that there exist a term that incorporates something actually technically demandingAshenai wrote:Like, I'm sure you know this shot, everyone does. It's a brilliant shot, it does a lot! But the interesting part of it is not "wow, Kubrick put a camera on a cart, my mind is blown". That practical solution is technically also part of cinematography, but that's not what's interesting about the shot!
What's interesting about the shot would be equally interesting in a cartoon, which is why it is valid to talk about cinematography in cartoons.
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like you could say the composition in both is amazing, and the cinematography in just one of them is amazing
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Sure, and I could have said (because it is what I meant) that the shot composition, visual effects, and scene lighting in Beastars is amazing. But those are all part of cinematography, so using that word seemed simpler and more exact! The practical effects and film stock selection in Beastars are not amazing, because they don't exist, but mentioning that seemed pointless.