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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Khaos » Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:21 pm

Ashenai wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:19 pmI'm also starting to forget what it's like hanging out with human beings.
then zootopia is perfect for you

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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Ashenai » Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:23 pm

I mean, I watched Killing Bites, so I really have no high ground at all here

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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Ashenai » Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:24 pm

(Killing Bites is about a honey badger lady who fights in her panties, AT BEST)

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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Khaos » Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:29 pm

that honey badger meme really got out of hand quickly

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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Ashenai » Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:31 pm

Can confirm Beastars is very good (at least, the first two episodes are), and also not what I expected. It's bewilderingly down-to-earth and naturalistic for a show about animal people.

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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Ashenai » Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:37 pm

Oh also it's gorgeous. The cinematography, especially, is fantastic.

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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Still Alive » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:08 pm

Ashenai wrote:Oh also it's gorgeous
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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Doug » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:10 pm

Ashenai wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:37 pm The cinematography, especially, is fantastic.
Um

Is this a cartoon
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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Ashenai » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:11 pm


Here's the first scene (or technically the second, I suppose). If you don't think that looks great then I guess you just don't have what it takes to become a Beastar.

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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Doug » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:13 pm

No it's just, "cinematography" refers to the use of camera, exposure, lighting, etc.

Cartoons don't like, make decisions about aperture settings or camera placement

If you're talking about the beauty of an image, that's composition

Probably way too pedantic here, sorry
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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Ashenai » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:16 pm

Cinematography includes camera placement, scene lighting, and shot composition, none of which requires a physical camera.

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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Still Alive » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:18 pm

yeah, you do actually have to place a camera in a cgi thing

edit - this is wherein the difference between pixar and any other cgi movie company lays, lies

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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Khaos » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:19 pm

Doug wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:13 pmProbably way too pedantic here, sorry
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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Doug » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:20 pm

Ashenai wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:16 pm Cinematography includes camera placement, scene lighting, and shot composition, none of which requires a physical camera.
Sure but those changes aren't made with the camera, they're made with the ink
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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Doug » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:21 pm

Still Alive wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:18 pm yeah, you do actually have to place a camera in a cgi thing
Like, I don't want to go on about this too much and ruin everyone's fun, but I want you to realize that in a Pixar film, there isn't actually a camera, there's a viewpoint
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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Ashenai » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:22 pm

Doug wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:20 pm
Ashenai wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:16 pm Cinematography includes camera placement, scene lighting, and shot composition, none of which requires a physical camera.
Sure but those changes aren't made with the camera, they're made with the ink
ink?

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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Doug » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:23 pm

Ashenai wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:22 pm
Doug wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:20 pm
Ashenai wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:16 pm Cinematography includes camera placement, scene lighting, and shot composition, none of which requires a physical camera.
Sure but those changes aren't made with the camera, they're made with the ink
ink?
It's anime, right
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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Khaos » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:24 pm

i've never heard the camera in video games referred to as anything but the camera

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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Ashenai » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:25 pm

Doug wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:21 pm
Still Alive wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:18 pm yeah, you do actually have to place a camera in a cgi thing
Like, I don't want to go on about this too much and ruin everyone's fun, but I want you to realize that in a Pixar film, there isn't actually a camera, there's a viewpoint
Correct, and the art of correctly positioning/moving the viewpoint so the shot comes out the way you want it is a part of what we call cinematography.

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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Doug » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:25 pm

OK last analogy and then I'll stop bothering you

Suppose we're filming Elizabeth

Now after the dailies, we're like, no, no, the costumes look like shit. They're actually reflective. This is no good. We have to reshoot the entire scene with different costumes.

So we get the actors all different costumes, and we reshoot the scene, and now it looks beautiful

That's not "cinematography"
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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Doug » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:26 pm

Khaos wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:24 pm i've never heard the camera in video games referred to as anything but the camera
That's Lakitu's fault
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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Khaos » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:27 pm

Doug wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:26 pm
Khaos wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:24 pm i've never heard the camera in video games referred to as anything but the camera
That's Lakitu's fault
that is 100% correct, but now it's the norm

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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Ashenai » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:29 pm

Doug wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:25 pm OK last analogy and then I'll stop bothering you

Suppose we're filming Elizabeth

Now after the dailies, we're like, no, no, the costumes look like shit. They're actually reflective. This is no good. We have to reshoot the entire scene with different costumes.

So we get the actors all different costumes, and we reshoot the scene, and now it looks beautiful

That's not "cinematography"
No, it's not, that's more like costume design. But if you instead go "fuck it, we can use a combination of filters and indirect soft lighting to make the reflective costumes look good", then that's cinematography again.

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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Still Alive » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:29 pm

Doug wrote:
Like, I don't want to go on about this too much and ruin everyone's fun, but I want you to realize that in a Pixar film, there isn't actually a camera, there's a viewpoint
i can def see the argument for something hand drawn despite, you know, storyboards existing, like, nobody just draws a scene and goes here we go that was hard to draw we're not ever doing anything else with this scene but maybe drawing different lighting on top of it or the scale / size of the characters

but cgi, like, ok, it's a theoretical camera, and so you could say well they're not changing lenses, exactly, but, like, you can't just appear cgi lighting, for one thing. it's you know, fine, though, pedantic. does the camera have to really exist, yes, no.

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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Khaos » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:31 pm

cybercinematography

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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Still Alive » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:32 pm

a stop motion animated movie has cinematography because the camera actually exists in reality, but then so could an animated movie because they're using real cameras to capture frames of the image. cgi movies don't use any cameras, so, i guess, technically, that's actually the least cinematographic

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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Ashenai » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:35 pm


Like, I'm sure you know this shot, everyone does. It's a brilliant shot, it does a lot! But the interesting part of it is not "wow, Kubrick put a camera on a cart, my mind is blown". That practical solution is technically also part of cinematography, but that's not what's interesting about the shot!

What's interesting about the shot would be equally interesting in a cartoon, which is why it is valid to talk about cinematography in cartoons.

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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Still Alive » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:36 pm

Ashenai wrote:Like, I'm sure you know this shot, everyone does. It's a brilliant shot, it does a lot! But the interesting part of it is not "wow, Kubrick put a camera on a cart, my mind is blown". That practical solution is technically also part of cinematography, but that's not what's interesting about the shot!

What's interesting about the shot would be equally interesting in a cartoon, which is why it is valid to talk about cinematography in cartoons.
that's actually not that great an example because that's technically demanding and in a cartoon you can just do whatever you want whenever and so one could demand that there exist a term that incorporates something actually technically demanding

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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Still Alive » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:37 pm

like you could say the composition in both is amazing, and the cinematography in just one of them is amazing

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Re: Shiny New Anime Thread

Post by Ashenai » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:43 pm

Sure, and I could have said (because it is what I meant) that the shot composition, visual effects, and scene lighting in Beastars is amazing. But those are all part of cinematography, so using that word seemed simpler and more exact! The practical effects and film stock selection in Beastars are not amazing, because they don't exist, but mentioning that seemed pointless.

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